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re: Obi-Wan Kenobi (Disney+) - Episode 3 Discussion thread
Posted on 6/4/22 at 7:50 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 6/4/22 at 7:50 am to TeddyPadillac
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That was one guy tormenting another one, and then that one guy forgetting how powerful he is and just letting the little bitch run away.
Vader would never just let somebody get away...
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Posted on 6/4/22 at 7:53 am to PJinAtl
ok then my original question stands.
reva tells obi wan that lord vader will be pleased that she’s going to bring kenobi to him, and kenobi immediately goes into shock that anakin is still alive
how would he have known that Vader is anakin, at that moment? Assuming I’ve not missed something...
Wouldn’t this show have been a lot cooler if the journey for obi wan was the discovery that Vader is really anakin? That scene makes it clear that obi wan did not know anakin was still alive, much less terrorizing the galaxy
reva tells obi wan that lord vader will be pleased that she’s going to bring kenobi to him, and kenobi immediately goes into shock that anakin is still alive
how would he have known that Vader is anakin, at that moment? Assuming I’ve not missed something...
Wouldn’t this show have been a lot cooler if the journey for obi wan was the discovery that Vader is really anakin? That scene makes it clear that obi wan did not know anakin was still alive, much less terrorizing the galaxy
Posted on 6/4/22 at 8:13 am to cgrand
Some thoughts on the series so far:
For me, it has been ok, but a little meh. A little bit of precocious Leia was not bad, but three episodes (and counting) of it was maybe not the best way they could have gone with the plot. At least they are doing a little character development with her as the ordeal she is going through seems to be maturing here just a bit.
I do like that Anakin/Vader seems to be portrayed right for this time frame. He still has a lot of the rage/whininess of Anakin as shown by his actions overall and especially by dragging Obi-wan through the fire. He seems to be at the peak of his powers as Vader, but not yet nearly as effective and results oriented as the more mature matter of fact Vader in the original trilogy. I think they did a good job with that.
I don't have the particular problem with Reva that many do, but I find all the Inquisitors, including her somewhat goofy and underwhelming. At least her outfit is not as campy as some of the Inquisitors - particularly the guy with the bowl on his head.
The side characters have been good - the youngish Jedi Obi-wan met in ep. 1, the guy pretending to be a Jedi, and the undercover rebel lady all played good parts.
I read that the series is doing very well viewership-wise and as someone said above, it has already been renewed. Hopefully they'll find their stride.
For me, it has been ok, but a little meh. A little bit of precocious Leia was not bad, but three episodes (and counting) of it was maybe not the best way they could have gone with the plot. At least they are doing a little character development with her as the ordeal she is going through seems to be maturing here just a bit.
I do like that Anakin/Vader seems to be portrayed right for this time frame. He still has a lot of the rage/whininess of Anakin as shown by his actions overall and especially by dragging Obi-wan through the fire. He seems to be at the peak of his powers as Vader, but not yet nearly as effective and results oriented as the more mature matter of fact Vader in the original trilogy. I think they did a good job with that.
I don't have the particular problem with Reva that many do, but I find all the Inquisitors, including her somewhat goofy and underwhelming. At least her outfit is not as campy as some of the Inquisitors - particularly the guy with the bowl on his head.
The side characters have been good - the youngish Jedi Obi-wan met in ep. 1, the guy pretending to be a Jedi, and the undercover rebel lady all played good parts.
I read that the series is doing very well viewership-wise and as someone said above, it has already been renewed. Hopefully they'll find their stride.
Posted on 6/4/22 at 8:20 am to Methuselah
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The side characters have been good - the youngish Jedi Obi-wan met in ep. 1, the guy pretending to be a Jedi, and the undercover rebel lady all played good parts.
the rebel lady is ellaria sand from GOT.
who was the beggar in the alley that obi wan gave money to before he met the kid with the drugs? Obi wan clearly knew who he was
Posted on 6/4/22 at 8:25 am to cgrand
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how would he have known that Vader is anakin, at that moment? Assuming I’ve not missed something...
I guess I did miss something
I went back and watched the end of ep3.
so obi wan knows that anakin is newly knighted lord vader, sith apprentice, before the fight on mustafar. What he doesn’t know now is that anakin is still alive and wearing a mecha suit.
so I guess the new scene makes sense
Posted on 6/4/22 at 8:26 am to cgrand
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who was the beggar in the alley that obi wan gave money to before he met the kid with the drugs? Obi wan clearly knew who he was
he was a burnt out clone trooper
Posted on 6/4/22 at 8:38 am to cgrand
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how would he have known that Vader is anakin, at that moment? Assuming I’ve not missed something...
Obi Wan has always known that Vader is Analin. He just didn't know he was alive.
Without going back and watching ROTS, I remember the timeline as this...
Anakin kills Mace Windu
Anakin pledges himself to Palpatine
Palpatine bestows the name Darth Vader on him
Slaughter in the Jedi Temple
[had to go pull quotes for this part]
Kenobi and Yoda go to the temple to change the code warning the Jedi to stay away
Kenobi pulls the hologram footage and sees Anakin/Vader killing people
The last of the footage shows Palpatine and Anakin together.
Palpatine says "You have done well, my new apprentice. Now, Lord Vader, go and bring peace to the Empire."
Yoda talks about needing to destroy the Sith
Obi-Wan: Send me to kill the Emperor. I will not kill Anakin.
Yoda: To fight this Lord Sidious, strong enough, you are not.
Obi-Wan: He is like my brother. I cannot do it.
Yoda: Twisted by the dark side, young Skywalker has become. The boy you trained, gone, he is, consumed by Darth Vader.
Obi-Wan: I do not know where the Emperor has sent him. I don't know where to look.
Yoda: Use your feelings, Obi-Wan, and find him, you will.
Kenobi makes the trip to Mustafar, they fight, Kenobi thinks Anakin/Vader is dead.
Now, my speculation is that Vader stays somewhat reclusive trying to heal, training the Inquisitors, and building his castle. So his name isn't really out there. Plus, Kenobi has gone dark, in hiding, so he isn't hearing much from systems outside of Tatooine. So he honestly things Anakin/Vader is dead.
Posted on 6/4/22 at 8:56 am to PJinAtl
yes you’re right, I was forgetting all that.
and I guess we can assume that reva was a youngling spared by anakin. That would be how she knows who he is.
and I guess we can assume that reva was a youngling spared by anakin. That would be how she knows who he is.
Posted on 6/4/22 at 9:11 am to Dr RC
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Vader would never just let somebody get away...
Your reading of the scene in ESB is that Vader lets Luke get away?
After the “fight”with Kenobi, Vader calls it a day ven though Ben is lying on the other side of a gravel pile like 100 yards away. It made no sense at all.
Posted on 6/4/22 at 9:50 am to Crimson K
I think I did a poor job making my point.
Vader could have easily just force grabbed Luke and brought him in to start trying to turn him but he decided against it for various reasons.
It's the same w/Obi-Wan. People are saying why didn't he just use the force to grab Obi-Wan? Well he obviously has his reasons. More than likely it's b/c he wants to either see where Obi-Wan goes to root out any rebels or it could be b/c he wanted to frick w/OW's head some more.
Long story short it's not exactly out of character for Vader to hold back at times.
Vader could have easily just force grabbed Luke and brought him in to start trying to turn him but he decided against it for various reasons.
It's the same w/Obi-Wan. People are saying why didn't he just use the force to grab Obi-Wan? Well he obviously has his reasons. More than likely it's b/c he wants to either see where Obi-Wan goes to root out any rebels or it could be b/c he wanted to frick w/OW's head some more.
Long story short it's not exactly out of character for Vader to hold back at times.
This post was edited on 6/4/22 at 9:52 am
Posted on 6/4/22 at 10:26 am to Dr RC
Vader doesn’t want to kill his son like he wants to kill Obi-Wan, so the point you are trying to make, makes zero sense.
This is just a poorly written show by people that don’t know Star Wars and don’t know how to make good tv.
This is just a poorly written show by people that don’t know Star Wars and don’t know how to make good tv.
Posted on 6/4/22 at 10:33 am to TeddyPadillac
Wanting to kill him has nothing to do with it.
He wants them, has them, and decides to let them go at that point in time. His ultimate goal doesn't matter in that moment b/c he's playing the long game.
Also, as has been pointed out by many others, he probably wants Obi-Wan to feel powerless and scared shitless as part of his punishment. He was so weak in that fight I doubt Vader is even worried about losing to him so he may as well let his little rabbit run a bit to see where he ends up.
After all
has been shown time and time again.
He wants them, has them, and decides to let them go at that point in time. His ultimate goal doesn't matter in that moment b/c he's playing the long game.
Also, as has been pointed out by many others, he probably wants Obi-Wan to feel powerless and scared shitless as part of his punishment. He was so weak in that fight I doubt Vader is even worried about losing to him so he may as well let his little rabbit run a bit to see where he ends up.
After all
has been shown time and time again.
This post was edited on 6/4/22 at 10:54 am
Posted on 6/4/22 at 11:17 am to Dr RC
Luke fell down a gigantic open shaft that only a Jedi could survive falling from, and he still almost died escaping.
And again, he was never going to come close to killing his son. He wasn’t following that dumbass to his possible death.
Ob-wan was carried a hundred feet away by a droid while Vader stood there and did nothing as he “escaped”, even though there’s nothing he wants more than to kill Obi-wan. It took him 10 years to find him, I seriously doubt he is ok with letting him escape. And I’m sure he could give two shits about Obi-Wan leading him to anyone else.
And again, he was never going to come close to killing his son. He wasn’t following that dumbass to his possible death.
Ob-wan was carried a hundred feet away by a droid while Vader stood there and did nothing as he “escaped”, even though there’s nothing he wants more than to kill Obi-wan. It took him 10 years to find him, I seriously doubt he is ok with letting him escape. And I’m sure he could give two shits about Obi-Wan leading him to anyone else.
Posted on 6/4/22 at 11:24 am to cgrand
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What he doesn’t know now is that anakin is still alive and wearing a mecha suit.
But he doesn’t know Vader exists?
Apparently everyone in the galaxy fears him. The dude shows up and people are cowering with fear in podunk Egypt.
He clearly has an immense reputation as he is already the emperor’s right hand man.
Are we supposed to believe Vader went into HIDING for a decade and didn’t actually hunt the Jedi down personally as has been canon since, well the VERY FREAKING BEGINNING OF STAR WARS?
How the hell does Obiwan have no clue Vader is alive after a decade?
This post was edited on 6/4/22 at 11:51 am
Posted on 6/4/22 at 11:29 am to TeddyPadillac
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And I’m sure he could give two shits about Obi-Wan leading him to anyone else
the only “anyone else” he might give two shits about is yoda. He doesn’t know about Luke and Leia. Everyone else on the Jedi council is dead. It’s obi wan kenobi and yoda. And only obi wan has caused vader any real harm
yes you would think that after ten years he’d be a little more aggressive about it LOL
Posted on 6/4/22 at 11:59 am to cgrand
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who was the beggar in the alley that obi wan gave money to before he met the kid with the drugs? Obi wan clearly knew who he was
Not really, Obi Wan knew WHAT he was, a 501st Legion clone trooper. However, the clone trooper knew WHO Obi Wan was his lack of reaction tells a lot about the clone troopers now that they have been discarded.
BTW the clone trooper was played by Temuera Morrison.
Posted on 6/4/22 at 12:07 pm to TeddyPadillac
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He wasn’t following that dumbass to his possible death.
He didn't need to follow him down the shaft. He could have just used the force to grab him right when he let go and didn't. Same as w/Obi-Wan. The fire can't be what stopped him b/c he could have just used the force to pull him back. He has a reason for not pursuing at that moment. We just don't know what it is yet.
This post was edited on 6/4/22 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 6/4/22 at 12:12 pm to Dr RC
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It's the same w/Obi-Wan. People are saying why didn't he just use the force to grab Obi-Wan? Well he obviously has his reasons. More than likely it's b/c he wants to either see where Obi-Wan goes to root out any rebels or it could be b/c he wanted to frick w/OW's head some more.
As much as I want this to be the case, I think it is just poorly written and executed.
Posted on 6/4/22 at 12:13 pm to Obtuse1
probably a good thing he didn't recognize OBW. May have had some old Order 66 urges pop back up.
Posted on 6/4/22 at 12:15 pm to Crimson K
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As much as I want this to be the case, I think it is just poorly written and executed.
Yep - the proof is the writers smuggling in the line from the storm troopers in the background “WE CAN’T GET THROUGH” - instead of Vader saying “let him escape”
How big of dumbasses can they been - just…walk around the fire
Also - Vader CLEARLY wants to get Obi-wan because he told the storm trooper to “go get him” and then the trooper was shot - which brings up another question - why didn’t Vader just keep pulling Obiwan through the fire to him if Vader wanted to “get him” as he requested
This post was edited on 6/4/22 at 12:54 pm
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