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Posted on 4/29/26 at 11:13 am to TheTideMustRoll
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I wouldn't doubt this at all. As bad as the experience of American servicemen in the Pacific theater was, that of your average Japanese soldier had to be far, far worse. Towards the end of the war the Japanese high command was sending men to garrison islands in the path of the advancing US and effectively telling them, "The Americans are coming and we cannot stop them. You will receive no reinforcements, supplies, or support of any kind. There will be no attempts made to rescue you. If you surrender or allow yourself to be taken prisoner it will bring horrible shame on your family. You will die in defense of this island. Your only objective is to hold out for as long as you can." Considering there were Japanese soldiers holding out and refusing to surrender still being discovered years after the war had ended, they took that order seriously.
good post and you're absolutely right. as almost incomprehensibly miserable as the Pacific was for American troops, it was somehow even worse for the Japs. the only difference i would say is that many of them were ready, willing, and even hopeful to die for their country, whereas the Americans all wanted to survive the war and go home.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 11:45 am to WG_Dawg
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My only "thing" (it's certainly not a complaint or a nitpick at all so I don't know what else to call it) is the recognizable actors. I know they are portraying real men so they had to get someone to do it.
With very few exceptions, they were nobodies when this was made. You’re watching it 25 years late.
Pay attention to Winters. He is one of the best examples of leadership you’ll ever see.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 12:03 pm to elprez00
quote:Schwimmer, Ron Livingston, Donnie Wahlberg, and Jimmy Fallon were the only known faces.
With very few exceptions, they were nobodies when this was made. You’re watching it 25 years late.
Neal McDonough had done a ton of film and TV work and was one of those, "hey, it's that guy" actors.
Simon Pegg was known in England from the Edgar Wright series "Spaced", but none of us here knew about it until Shawn of the Dead came out three years later.
Colin Hanks was just starting and known as "Tom Hanks' son who's an actor". (Which made the nepotistic casting perfect for the role of the new officer who doesn't fit and has an air of entitlement attached to him.)
Posted on 4/29/26 at 12:44 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Always thought it’d be cool for the guys who made BoB and the pacific to make a show about some of the baseball players who served in WW2
Posted on 4/29/26 at 1:20 pm to LSUbacchus
I've mentioned this before when Sobel is brought up, but I am friends with his son Michael. Only thing is, I didn't put it together when I was living in Thailand, which is where he is.
I wish I would've had a chance to talk to him in person about his dad for a bit. My wife, who I met there, was working with him before I started at the same company and one day a few years later we're watching BoB and she goes, "ohhh that's who Michael was telling me about"
Eta: check some photos and the blurbs of this reunion in 2002 which Michael attended LINK
I wish I would've had a chance to talk to him in person about his dad for a bit. My wife, who I met there, was working with him before I started at the same company and one day a few years later we're watching BoB and she goes, "ohhh that's who Michael was telling me about"
Eta: check some photos and the blurbs of this reunion in 2002 which Michael attended LINK
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Posted on 4/29/26 at 3:35 pm to WG_Dawg
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My only "thing" (it's certainly not a complaint or a nitpick at all so I don't know what else to call it) is the recognizable actors
Oh buddy, you haven't even seen the most whiplash "what the frick is he doing in this" moment yet
I've seen it a dozen times at least. Watch it every year around memorial day to remind myself how easy i had it.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 4:25 pm to CocomoLSU
I watch it at least once a year. Just as good each time. I still get cold watching Bastogne.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 4:25 pm to barry
I mentioned it in my earlier post, but didn't really have time to expound on Masters of the Air.
I thought the series was great in showing how the air battles were no less intense than the fighting on the ground. The air crews might have had it easier in the down time, but they were still warriors. I grew up going to church with an elderly man that had been a tail gunner and a waste gunner in bombers from the 8th AF. He had crazy stories, and he was on many of the missions the series focuses on. Similar to how The Pacific gave me a glimpse into my grandfather's experiences, this show put on screen the experiences of another man who was pretty influential in my life into my mid-teens when he passed away.
The last few episodes are almost an entirely different series from the first episodes. Same men, but they could have named the second half Masters of the Concentration Camp. Those episodes dragged a bit, IMO, and probably could have been trimmed down to show other missions they didn't cover in the series.
If I had to rank them, MotA would definitely be a distant third below BoB and The Pacific.
I thought the series was great in showing how the air battles were no less intense than the fighting on the ground. The air crews might have had it easier in the down time, but they were still warriors. I grew up going to church with an elderly man that had been a tail gunner and a waste gunner in bombers from the 8th AF. He had crazy stories, and he was on many of the missions the series focuses on. Similar to how The Pacific gave me a glimpse into my grandfather's experiences, this show put on screen the experiences of another man who was pretty influential in my life into my mid-teens when he passed away.
The last few episodes are almost an entirely different series from the first episodes. Same men, but they could have named the second half Masters of the Concentration Camp. Those episodes dragged a bit, IMO, and probably could have been trimmed down to show other missions they didn't cover in the series.
If I had to rank them, MotA would definitely be a distant third below BoB and The Pacific.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 4:27 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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I wouldn't doubt this at all. As bad as the experience of American servicemen in the Pacific theater was, that of your average Japanese soldier had to be far, far worse.
My grandad was a torpedo pilot and was taken down by a kamikaze. He spent almost 2 years being starved and beaten in prison over there. He said he almost felt worse for the Japanese soldiers than he did for himself. There were some guards who would slip the prisoners some of their own rice to eat as well as some that were sadistic. He said, "Mostly we were all just young men doing what we were told by older men."
I wish they had made the Flyboys movie about the Pacific torpedo pilots who were prisoners on Chichi-jima like the book by James Bradley was about.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 4:50 pm to CocomoLSU
I enjoyed the documentary "The War" as well .... it doesn't get replayed as much though...
Posted on 4/29/26 at 9:06 pm to stuckintexas
quote:Yes distant third, but it does have some of the most incredible battle visuals of the entire anthology.
MotA would definitely be a distant third below BoB and The Pacific.
I remember the daylight raids being absolutely stunning to watch.
It hasn’t made it onto my annual/semi-annual rewatch list like BoB/Pacific, respectively, (haven’t done any rewatch yet), but it has some amazing stuff in it.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 9:48 pm to WG_Dawg
Follow this up with The Pacific series.
The European theatre was "war", but the Pacific theatre was an absolute human meat grinder of death and brutality.
Be prepared to watch a totally different plot and outcome.
The European theatre was "war", but the Pacific theatre was an absolute human meat grinder of death and brutality.
Be prepared to watch a totally different plot and outcome.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 6:42 am to Jor Jor The Dinosaur
I watched MotA when it came out and thought it was okay, but did a rewatch and appreciated it a lot more. I also read the book after watching the show, so maybe that helped. BoB and Pacific can be watched with breaks between the episodes, but MotA really needs to be binged.
I find The Pacific to be hard to watch in the second half just because of the brutal nature of it all. BoB had some rough times, but it left you proud and hopeful. The Pacific just beats you down, and then continues kicking you. Just awful stuff. I read Helmet for My Pillow, and it's tough one to get through.
I find The Pacific to be hard to watch in the second half just because of the brutal nature of it all. BoB had some rough times, but it left you proud and hopeful. The Pacific just beats you down, and then continues kicking you. Just awful stuff. I read Helmet for My Pillow, and it's tough one to get through.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 6:59 am to duckblind56
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The European theatre was "war", but the Pacific theatre was an absolute human meat grinder of death and brutality.
Be prepared to watch a totally different plot and outcome.
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The Pacific just beats you down, and then continues kicking you. Just awful stuff.
Gotta say I'm not sure I want to watch the Pacific ha. I'm sure it's excellently done but I'm not a fan in general of shows that just trample on you mentally and leave you feeling all bummed out for days after.
Still really digging BOB though.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 7:54 am to WG_Dawg
No you should watch the pacific. Those men went through hell and not watching it would be a disservice to yourself. Kind of makes you realize you don't have that bad of a life.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 11:47 am to WG_Dawg
Jealous that some of you are watching this for the first time. BoB is as good as television gets.
It has a number of actors in very small roles who were complete unknowns in 2001 that eventually became huge stars.
BoB always makes me proud to be an American and appreciate the sacrifices our soldiers make for this country. Those guys were truly the Greatest Generation!
The real Dick Winters interview that closes out the final episode never ceases to make me cry like a baby.
It has a number of actors in very small roles who were complete unknowns in 2001 that eventually became huge stars.
BoB always makes me proud to be an American and appreciate the sacrifices our soldiers make for this country. Those guys were truly the Greatest Generation!
The real Dick Winters interview that closes out the final episode never ceases to make me cry like a baby.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 11:53 am to LSUbub12
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It has a number of actors in very small roles who were complete unknowns in 2001
yeah over the last 4 pages I've definitely learned to pay more attention to what year a show comes out before making comments ha.
Posted on 4/30/26 at 1:41 pm to WG_Dawg
Probably the best thing I’ve ever watched, it never gets old
Posted on 4/30/26 at 1:52 pm to WG_Dawg
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I'm not a fan in general of shows that just trample on you mentally and leave you feeling all bummed out for days after.
It's interesting you say this. The Pacific was one of the shows that pushed me into your line of thinking after I had watched it. I can't do overly depressing and/or really graphic things anymore, which The Pacific had both of. Especially if the content is based on real life stuff. It puts me in a bad place. Maybe that's me being cowardly and wanting to bury my head in the sand. I don't know. I do know it hits me really hard now and it's not enjoyable in the slightest.
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