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re: Just starting Band of Brothers
Posted on 4/28/26 at 9:38 am to WG_Dawg
Posted on 4/28/26 at 9:38 am to WG_Dawg
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And while we're on the topic I guess **NO SPOILERS OTHER THAN EPISODE 1 PLEASE** do we know how ross got to be in that position to begin with? He runs a tight ship I suppose, but he doesn't seem to be that competent. He isn't respected (and surely he has to know that), he makes tactical errors, gets lost multiple times...like how did he rise through the ranks to get there?
The show is based on stories told by these men many years after the war. Their memories are flawed and biased at times. Not everything in the show is accurate, with some very notable examples, because the men simply misremembered.
There are several members of E Company that did not like Sobel's portrayal at all and disagreed with it entirely, and a few that didn't think it was harsh enough. Memories are biased
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Posted on 4/28/26 at 9:46 am to Fun Bunch
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There are several members of E Company that did not like Sobel's portrayal at all and disagreed with it entirely, and a few that didn't think it was harsh enough. Memories are biased
ah ok good, that's good to know and it makes perfect sense. I'm sure if I had to describe someone from 50 years ago it may not be entirely accurate either ha.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 9:47 am to WG_Dawg
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And while we're on the topic I guess **NO SPOILERS OTHER THAN EPISODE 1 PLEASE** do we know how ross got to be in that position to begin with? He runs a tight ship I suppose, but he doesn't seem to be that competent. He isn't respected (and surely he has to know that), he makes tactical errors, gets lost multiple times...like how did he rise through the ranks to get there?
because at the end of the day Band of Brothers is entertainment, not raw history, and real historical figures arent the black and white cardboard cut-outs that you see on tv shows and movies. Sobel was known to be a very hard man who was good at running a training program, but who was eventually found to be not good enough to command a combat unit. He had strengths and weaknesses like anyone. He eventually retired as a lieutenant colonel, so he obviously did some things right too.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 9:50 am to WG_Dawg
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do we know how ross got to be in that position to begin with? He runs a tight ship I suppose, but he doesn't seem to be that competent. He isn't respected (and surely he has to know that), he makes tactical errors, gets lost multiple times...like how did he rise through the ranks to get there?
The military is basically the Peter Principle in action. Especially on the officer side of the house, each promotion brings a pretty sizable jump in the scale of responsibility. So while a man might be excellent at leading a small group of men directly, he might find that his abilities do not translate very well to leading a much larger group of men indirectly through subordinates. Sobel (at least as presented in the show) was excellent at following clear orders and at making sure his men followed clear orders. He failed when he was placed in situations where he was required to think creatively on his own.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 9:52 am to TheTideMustRoll
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Sobel (at least as presented in the show) was excellent at following clear orders and at making sure his men followed clear orders. He failed when he was placed in situations where he was required to think creatively on his own.
gotcha, that makes total sense.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 9:56 am to WG_Dawg
Just watch more and you’ll mostly forget about their prior roles.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 10:24 am to LSUbacchus
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What’s funny is it came out 25 years ago and I recognize majority of these guys from being on Band of Brothers. I watched it when it came out so that makes a difference. This show made alot of these guys careers.
This. OP is being a bitch tbh, trying to rile the board up over what is clearly a beloved show.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 10:28 am to WG_Dawg
Episode 1 is probably the "worst" episode of the series. Its still really great tv though. You'll really enjoy the rest.
And a lot of people feel the same way you do about Schwimmer playing Sobel.
And a lot of people feel the same way you do about Schwimmer playing Sobel.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 10:29 am to WicKed WayZ
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OP is being a bitch tbh, trying to rile the board up over what is clearly a beloved show.
I don't think so. When I first watched BoB and Schwimmer came on I remember thinking, "Oh, frick, this is going to take me out of the show because I'm never going to look at this guy and not see Ross from Friends." About midway through the first episode I had gotten way past that, though, because Schwimmer actually kills it as Sobel and truly makes you hate him.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 10:44 am to WicKed WayZ
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OP is being a bitch tbh, trying to rile the board up over what is clearly a beloved show.
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I watched ep 1 last night and am really enjoying it. Can't wait for the rest.
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My only "thing" (it's certainly not a complaint or a nitpick at all)
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It hasn't lessened my enjoyment of the show one iota just to be clear.
buddy, you might be retarded.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 10:46 am to TheTideMustRoll
We just did our umpteenth re-watch. The only actor that maybe sort of takes me out of the series is when Jimmy Fallon drives up in a jeep.
This is by far Schwimmer's greatest performance. The button moment in the finale, Winters calling Sobel to attention. Just perfection.
This is by far Schwimmer's greatest performance. The button moment in the finale, Winters calling Sobel to attention. Just perfection.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 11:00 am to WG_Dawg
A few years ago I was in Normandy with my family, and we took a D-Day tour. We followed the trenches and causeways where Winters took out the German cannon sites near Brecourt Manor.
This is episode 2 of BoB. Going back and watching it after being there was an amazing experience
This is episode 2 of BoB. Going back and watching it after being there was an amazing experience
Posted on 4/28/26 at 12:28 pm to slinger1317
A BOB marathon usually happens on Memorial Day. Watch it every year.
And every year I so regret not talking to WW2 vets more about life a d experiences (I'm a older doctor at the VA) and I always feel not half the man these guys were.
And every year I so regret not talking to WW2 vets more about life a d experiences (I'm a older doctor at the VA) and I always feel not half the man these guys were.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 12:39 pm to WG_Dawg
My favorite show of all time. I rewatch 1-2 a year and sometimes will put an episode on randomly if I’m bored.
Someone mentioned the German generals speech scene and that’s a great one but my favorite is Spiers and Liptons conversation in the church
Someone mentioned the German generals speech scene and that’s a great one but my favorite is Spiers and Liptons conversation in the church
Posted on 4/28/26 at 1:04 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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You can follow it up with The Pacific after, it's another great HBO WW2 mini series.
A word to OP:
IMO Band of Brothers is much, much, much better than The Pacific. And I enjoyed The Pacific. But it pales in comparison to BoB.
While I enjoyed The Pacific, I also found it somewhat of a slog to get through at times (and it's not really its fault, moreso a fault of the content of that campaign), whereas BoB is top-notch television. The Pacific is also a lot more brutal, gritty, and depressing. So the content itself makes for a tougher watch, at least IMO.
It's a good series too, don't get me wrong. But it's nowhere near the quality of BoB for me.
This post was edited on 4/28/26 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 4/28/26 at 1:10 pm to RoyalAir
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I'm in the minority, but I vastly preferred the Pacific to BoB.
Band is excellent. That's not to take anything away from it. It's also a cohesive story about a single company. But the Pacific is so much more visceral, difficult, and overall a challenging watch. Plus, the US was far more instrumental in the actual Pacific theater than it was in Europe, that the historical significance is deeper.
I almost put in my post that some people prefer The Pacific over BoB when I recommended it. I prefer Band of Brothers but love The Pacific. i think simply from a storytelling and character perspective that Band of Brothers has the edge but I personally felt for the guys in The Pacific more. There were obviously very rough parts in BoB but those guys in The Pacific went through legit one hell on earth situation after the other. The show did a great job of telling just how bad they had it.
Both are great shows and I could rewatch either of them at any time.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 1:12 pm to Mstate
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Someone mentioned the German generals speech scene and that’s a great one but my favorite is Spiers and Liptons conversation in the church
That's a great one. My favorite is this one:
Posted on 4/28/26 at 1:16 pm to CocomoLSU
The Pacific is not "BoB in the Pacific," as one might expect going into it. BoB tells a story covering less than a year of actual combat operations, so it was possible for men who were present at the start to still be there at the end, if they got lucky. That allows the show to have "main characters" that are there for most or all of the episodes. The Pacific, on the other hand, covers four years of combat operations. Even men who survived their early combat tours unscathed would have rotated away to serve elsewhere by the end of the war. This means that characters in the show come and go regularly, which can be jarring if you're coming straight off of a BoB watch.
The best way I know to sum it up is this: BoB is the story of a particular group of men at war. The Pacific is the story of a war in itself.
The best way I know to sum it up is this: BoB is the story of a particular group of men at war. The Pacific is the story of a war in itself.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 1:22 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Episode 1 is probably the "worst" episode of the series. Its still really great tv though. You'll really enjoy the rest.
I still get goosebumps at the end of ep. 1 when the planes are taking off for the invasion.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 1:34 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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The best way I know to sum it up is this: BoB is the story of a particular group of men at war. The Pacific is the story of a war in itself.
Interesting, thanks for that. Since it looks like the pacific has very high accolades as well I'll probably give that a shot down the road too.
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