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re: IGN: George R.R. Martin wishes the Game of Thrones books had stayed ahead of the series
Posted on 6/26/21 at 7:50 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 6/26/21 at 7:50 am to RollTide1987
A Series in which the main antagonists were dealt with in one episode after a decade of teasing them up as the apocalypse would turn away a large majority of fans.
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Posted on 6/26/21 at 8:57 am to 50_Tiger
Man I just never get tired of reading ppl shite on this show.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 9:21 am to RollTide1987
I dont Think he’s close to being able to wrap up the story in a satisfying way without the last book being well over 1000 pages.
He fricked HBO.
He fricked HBO.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 10:00 am to RollTide1987
The most basic mistake that the GoT show runners made in the last two seasons… but the last season in particular… was removing the focus from Jon Snow as the main protagonist.
He was the hero of the show, and they abandoned him.
To me, beyond all other frickups, the absolute worst scene in the series is at the beginning of the last episode, when Jon backs down to Grey Worm and the Lannister prisoners are executed as he walks off.
That… was the most anti-Jon Snow scene imaginable. His “real” character would never have tolerated that shite. For that matter, neither would Davos, standing right behind him the whole time.
I just watched the scene again before posting this, and it makes me want to vomit.
He was the hero of the show, and they abandoned him.
To me, beyond all other frickups, the absolute worst scene in the series is at the beginning of the last episode, when Jon backs down to Grey Worm and the Lannister prisoners are executed as he walks off.
That… was the most anti-Jon Snow scene imaginable. His “real” character would never have tolerated that shite. For that matter, neither would Davos, standing right behind him the whole time.
I just watched the scene again before posting this, and it makes me want to vomit.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 10:09 am to SpqrTiger
I am convinced GRR Martin doesn’t know how to finish his story.
Heck, in the last book where he should be closing story lines and contracting the story he is adding characters and expanding the story.
He has no idea how it should end. If the HBO ending had worked he could of rewrote it in a book, but when that failed he is back to having a great story with no end in mind.
He would rather leave it unfinished than finish it poorly.
Also, those books take a lot of work and he is fat, lazy, and content to attend conventions where everyone applauds.
Money no longer motivates him as he is already rich.
I dislike this man.
Heck, in the last book where he should be closing story lines and contracting the story he is adding characters and expanding the story.
He has no idea how it should end. If the HBO ending had worked he could of rewrote it in a book, but when that failed he is back to having a great story with no end in mind.
He would rather leave it unfinished than finish it poorly.
Also, those books take a lot of work and he is fat, lazy, and content to attend conventions where everyone applauds.
Money no longer motivates him as he is already rich.
I dislike this man.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 10:20 am to Scoob
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But I did give it some slack; of all the people potentially capable of killing someone (not saying the prophecy stuff, saying the show-developed characters)- A Girl was pretty damned skilled. Granted, she was more an assassin than a warrior, but there were worse choices, IF YOU WANTED SOMEONE OTHER THAN JON.
I think the majority felt- there was no reason for it NOT to be Jon.
I think there were only 4 acceptable candidates to kill the Night King, and in order from most to least acceptable:
1) Jon
2) Dany
3) Bran
4) Jaime
That's it. They're the only ones that debatably fit the Azor Ahai prophesy. But they just threw that completely out the window despite it being mentioned like a hundred times in the name of "Hey Mel said "blue eyes" once so we foreshadowed it!" No you didn't.
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The other complaint was the unkillable star power; too many folks survived that we knew. Oh well- Theon, Jorah, Beric, Little Lady Mormont, and Edd died.
It's really incredible to hear one of the writers rant about writing this episode: We told the fans it was going to rival Helm's Deep!
Posted on 6/26/21 at 11:13 am to OMLandshark
My biggest problem regarding the White Walkers and the Long Night was it should have been the main focus. To go from an apocalyptic situation to just a crazy Queen and horny pirate as the main bad guys is a big letdown. I don't care what Martin had planned.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 11:57 am to Shiftyplus1
I heard back in the 90s fans were expecting the books to be a trilogy. after a storm of swords everyone expected an epic fourth book but feast for crows turned out to be a side quest sort of book.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 11:58 am to OMLandshark
quote:I get that, and understand your perspective.
I think there were only 4 acceptable candidates to kill the Night King, and in order from most to least acceptable:
1) Jon
2) Dany
3) Bran
4) Jaime
That's it. They're the only ones that debatably fit the Azor Ahai prophesy
My point is that Arya spent seasons turning into the ultimate killer, so per her own skills, she was a decent candidate. Not focusing on the prophecy, and going on ability alone- if you compare her to those on your list, Jon remains #1 as an accomplished warrior. Dany, only if the dragons work; zero chance otherwise. Bran has the prophecy aspect and the Three Eyed Raven thing going, but in an actual fight he wouldn't beat Lady Mormont... he's crippled. Jaime without his good hand, there's an argument that he could channel all his skill into a one-time event. But otherwise, he's still barely above competent.
quote:To be fair, if you look at the wide scope of battle scenes, that is a good comparison. There's really nothing Helm's Deep onscreen does that surpasses this battle. And as for seeing "heroes die", the only one that dies at Helm's Deep is an Elf that isn't even supposed to be there. The only relevant characters that die in LOTR are Boromir in the first book, Gandalf "sorta" in the first book (revived in the 2nd), and Theoden in the 3rd. You can make a case for Denethor in the books, but in the movies he's as despicable as Saruman. Haldor doesn't die in the books, he'd have been involved in the defense of Lorien (and not listed as having died in the appendixes).
It's really incredible to hear one of the writers rant about writing this episode: We told the fans it was going to rival Helm's Deep!
And of course, Smeagol with the unintentional sacrifice that saves the world.
Back on GoT, it would have been a good place for Sam and Pod to die. I don't think they serve any further purpose in the story.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 12:26 pm to RollTide1987
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IGN: George R.R. Martin wishes the Game of Thrones books had stayed ahead of the series
If only he had had a way to make that happen.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 12:40 pm to RollTide1987
Did they botch Euron because of this? Because in that forsaken chapter where he's torturing his brother and becoming a frickin sea monster that rides chuthulu or something. He sounds so badass
Posted on 6/26/21 at 1:12 pm to RollTide1987
Relevant. Logan Lucky’s writers jab at G RR Martin
Posted on 6/26/21 at 1:54 pm to RollTide1987
He couldn't even finish the fricking book during a PANDEMIC.
frick all of the way off.
frick all of the way off.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 1:56 pm to SammyTiger
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He fricked HBO.
I've said from the get go, while D&D deserve some of the blame I put majority of it on GRRM. And if he ever (
) actually finishes the series, he'll change the ending because of the TV ending response. And then try to come out on the other side smelling like roses. Posted on 6/26/21 at 1:58 pm to RollTide1987
Was cleaning up last week. I decided to put every GOT book, collectible and shirt in a goodwill bag.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 1:59 pm to RollTide1987
TLDR: everyone in this thread insists they were ahead of everyone else in hating GOT
Posted on 6/26/21 at 2:02 pm to Peter167
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Did they botch Euron because of this? Because in that forsaken chapter where he's torturing his brother and becoming a frickin sea monster that rides chuthulu or something. He sounds so badass
While I think Euron in the books may meet Cersei, I think his actual role in the story is much different and horrific than in the show. I think he’s related to the Three Eyed Crow (who is in all likelihood evil unlike the show) and went through the same experience Bran did as a child where he serves as the Herald to him. When Euron was a child he had a grave fever where he almost died, but he actually survived and this is what he said he dreamed of:
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“When I was a boy, I dreamt that I could fly. When I woke, I couldn’t…or so the maester said. But what if he lied?”
I think Euron in the book will take Viserion for himself with the dragon horn and use it to take down the Wall to let in the Walkers.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 2:22 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I've said from the get go, while D&D deserve some of the blame I put majority of it on GRRM. And if he ever ( ) actually finishes the series, he'll change the ending because of the TV ending response. And then try to come out on the other side smelling like roses.
Im torn.
Because while the fat frick is the possibly the laziest person ever to hit the NYT bestseller list, he gave DD the keys to the kingdom. Gave them a firm foundation and told them where the story was going. The inability to fill the gaps coherently is on them.
And if they can’t tell a story when the framework was given, when CAN they tell a story.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 2:27 pm to OMLandshark
TBH, I suspect the only major plot points that was really intended to happen was Dany going all fire and blood.
Everything else is just follow through on what was said earlier.
I mean I have to think that the whole war for Westeros plays entirely different. The (presumably) false Targaryen story and the impact he has can’t be THAT negligible.
Everything else is just follow through on what was said earlier.
I mean I have to think that the whole war for Westeros plays entirely different. The (presumably) false Targaryen story and the impact he has can’t be THAT negligible.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 2:31 pm to OMLandshark
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I think he’s related to the Three Eyed Crow (who is in all likelihood evil unlike the show
Bran as the Three Eyed Raven is most certainly a villain.
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