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re: IGN: George R.R. Martin wishes the Game of Thrones books had stayed ahead of the series
Posted on 6/26/21 at 2:35 pm to Athos
Posted on 6/26/21 at 2:35 pm to Athos
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Bran as the Three Eyed Raven is most certainly a villain.
I mean, I did think that and didn’t think Bran would ever go South of the Wall again, but D&D have said that tubbie intends for Bran to be king at the end, and honestly it seems in line with him to blow himself as a writer at the end to where I don’t have any reason not to believe them on this.
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Posted on 6/26/21 at 2:42 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Yeah I can’t see something that is rushed as being logical. Dany eventually breaking completely does make sense. But the time they took to go from point A to point B was too rapid. Logical would be letting things play out a little more.
Winterfell and Kings Landing needed to be a full season for each major battle. Martin and HBO let D&D kill the franchise because they wanted to be done on warp speed so they could move onto something else. Should have just kicked them to curb instead, the franchise never needed them.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 2:54 pm to Volvagia
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The (presumably) false Targaryen story and the impact he has can’t be THAT negligible.
Here’s what I’m thinking the factions at the end of WoW (if that fat piece of shite every releases it) will be:
1) Cersei will have Tommen poisoned and then Cersei would have been killed by Jaime and narrowly avoided her blowing up King’s Landing like Aerys attempted. The Westerlands are mostly irrelevant with Jaime fleeing North to serve and protect Jon Snow as true heir to the Iron Throne along with Samwell. The Westerland Lords and armies will regardless show up at the final battle with the Others on the Trident.
2) (F)Aegon will rule the South with Arianne as his Queen with Varys truly being in charge. They will not show up to the final battle at the Trident
3) Sansa will rule the North, Riverlands, and Vale with Littlefinger actually in charge and holding Sansa hostage. They will be absorbed by Jon and Dany’s armies for final battle at the Trident.
4) The Wall falls through Euron’s efforts and Jon flees south with Stannis’ remaining army, the Night’s Watch, the Free Folk, and Ironborn
5) Dany lands on Dragonstone with a greatly diminished army due to having to sail through Valyria and Euron capturing Viserion. Knowing they can’t win on their own, Tyrion goes North with Rhaegal to treat with Jon and Sansa/Littlefinger and Dany and Jorah with Drogon go South to treat with Aegon/Varys so all sides can take down the Others
6) The Others, wights, Euron, Bloodraven, The Mountain, Viserion, and possibly Stannis as the Night King marching south with Bran likely recently escaped with Meera and possibly Hodor (Hodor’s death could certainly happen in ADOS) and meeting up with Jon.
That’s my theory at least what the factions should be, and Dany burns King’s Landing to the ground because they want Rhaegar’s Heir as their king, she knows Aegon is a fake, that Jon is Rhaegar’s true heir, and then goes nuts. Also I’d love it if the Crackpot theory of Daario and Euron being one in the same even if I doubt it’s true.
This post was edited on 6/26/21 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 6/26/21 at 2:57 pm to SpqrTiger
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The most basic mistake that the GoT show runners made in the last two seasons… but the last season in particular… was removing the focus from Jon Snow as the main protagonist.
He was the hero of the show, and they abandoned him.
I disagree although I hated the descent of the show.
The greatness of Martin was at its height in the first couple of seasons and the first couple books. The central character can and will die and disappear when it makes sense.
Ned Stark was (at least arguably) the central character and the moral center for the other characters. And he died. Because it made sense for the plot and created real tension. We built up again around the Starks and bam! The Red Wedding destroys those easy expectations.
But these things were done skillfully (not poorly like "Lost" or season 8). Good foreshadowing and narrative propelled the reader to those necessary failures.
And FWIW there were ways to properly kill the Night King without Jon Snow but they required more development and would have made use of the Azor Ahai prophecy with Jaime or Daenerys instead of Kit Harrington. Arya just made absolutely no sense for the long reveal promised over so many books.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 3:23 pm to fargobison
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Martin and HBO let D&D kill the franchise because they wanted to be done on warp speed so they could move onto something else.
Martin and HBO both wanted to see the show continue on for at least a few more seasons. Martin told them there was plenty of material for 10 full seasons and suggested they expand their horizons accordingly. D&D had full creative control, however, and they did what they wanted - which was abandoning the series prematurely so they could do something new with either Disney or Netflix. Unfortunately for them (but fortunately for us), their rushed conclusion to Game of Thrones probably ended up setting back their careers because no one's heard anything about them or their futures since the series finale.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 3:25 pm to td01241
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I’m not going to lie and say I’m not going to read the book if it’s ever released, but I’m damn well past the point of eagerness or expectations.
I absolutely will not read another word until the series is finished. No way would I read a 6th book and then have to wait another decade for a 7th.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 3:54 pm to OMLandshark
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I think he’s related to the Three Eyed Crow (who is in all likelihood evil unlike the show) and went through the same experience Bran did as a child where he serves as the Herald to him.
The three eyed crow in the books is Brynden Rivers aka Bloodraven. He is a Targaryen bastard and is featured in the Dunk and Egg prequel stories.
He was a lord commander of the nights watch. It is believed that he died going a ranging mission in the north but he actually ended up becoming the three eyed crow.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 3:57 pm to molsusports
I hear what you’re saying. It’s true that Martin killed off the central character in Ned Stark in season one.
And he did it again with Snow in Dance with Dragons. So there is consistency there.
But Snow differs from Ned because he is clearly intended to be the protagonist of the show. There is a show without Ned. There is no show without Jon. That’s why he was resurrected. If he’s not intended to play the key role in the show, why bring him back? Why show us who he really is and tell him who he really is if it has no consequence at all? That’s actually not on Martin. It’s on the show runners.
And my gripe with the show is not about who killed the Night King or who ended up on the throne, or how dumb it was to go beyond the wall. It’s that the character of Jon Snow in seasons 7 & 8 might as well have been dead. He made that little of a difference. And the Jon Snow we got wasn’t like Jon Snow at all. When Jon walked up to Dany at her little Hitler rally in the last episode, if he was being true to his character, he would have gutted her like a fish right in front of everyone. Damn the consequences. It would have actually been a better ending then what we got with the crying, stabbing, and melting the throne bit.
And he did it again with Snow in Dance with Dragons. So there is consistency there.
But Snow differs from Ned because he is clearly intended to be the protagonist of the show. There is a show without Ned. There is no show without Jon. That’s why he was resurrected. If he’s not intended to play the key role in the show, why bring him back? Why show us who he really is and tell him who he really is if it has no consequence at all? That’s actually not on Martin. It’s on the show runners.
And my gripe with the show is not about who killed the Night King or who ended up on the throne, or how dumb it was to go beyond the wall. It’s that the character of Jon Snow in seasons 7 & 8 might as well have been dead. He made that little of a difference. And the Jon Snow we got wasn’t like Jon Snow at all. When Jon walked up to Dany at her little Hitler rally in the last episode, if he was being true to his character, he would have gutted her like a fish right in front of everyone. Damn the consequences. It would have actually been a better ending then what we got with the crying, stabbing, and melting the throne bit.
This post was edited on 6/26/21 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 6/26/21 at 4:02 pm to Goonie02
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The three eyed crow in the books is Brynden Rivers aka Bloodraven. He is a Targaryen bastard and is featured in the Dunk and Egg prequel stories.
He was a lord commander of the nights watch. It is believed that he died going a ranging mission in the north but he actually ended up becoming the three eyed crow.
Not BLOOD related, but he is associated with him and is doing his bidding south of the Wall. I think they have a mental connection if only through dreams. He is the Three Eyed Crow’s Herald and also the reason why Euron calls himself The Crow’s Eye.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 4:30 pm to SpqrTiger
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There is no show without Jon. That’s why he was resurrected
He was resurrected because of the possibility of him being able to defeat the Night King. Others were also resurrected. At least two others could also fulfill the prophecy.
I just don't agree that Jon Snow was the central character who couldn't die. I could have easily imagined an ending where Jaime empowered his blade with the blood of Cersei and fulfilled the prophecy instead.
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my gripe with the show is not about who killed the Night King or who ended up on the throne, or how dumb it was to go beyond the wall. It’s that the character of Jon Snow in seasons 7 & 8 might as well have been dead. He made that little of a difference
Agree with that. Although they destroyed the story arcs for nearly every character so... your complaint is legitimate IMO but doesn't go nearly far enough.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 5:30 pm to OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/26/21 at 5:44 pm to SpqrTiger
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Snow differs from Ned because he is clearly intended to be the protagonist of the show.
I only read a few chapters of the first book and realized GRRM's entire point world be that there are no heroes and no villains.
He didn't create a story arc with a beginning, middle, and end. He created a soap opera and that's why it meandered for years and then "ended" disastrously.
To me a story is only as good as its ending. A joke is only as good as its punchline. And GRRM knows frick all how to write an ending.
He's a fat, shitty hack that spends his time engaging in pizza crawls and jerking off to incest porn.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 6:41 pm to dbeck
You nailed it, brother.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 6:42 pm to RollTide1987
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George R.R. Martin wishes the Game of Thrones books had stayed ahead of the series
Hmm...
If only he had some power to make that happen... oh well, I guess that's some tough luck.
OH WAIT.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 7:37 pm to OMLandshark
GRRM has already said the books will end different from the HBO series.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 7:49 pm to RollTide1987
Why would HBO kill its biggest moneymaker?
Posted on 6/26/21 at 8:55 pm to OMLandshark
Oh no question he couldn't be farther from the lame who throws an old man off a bridge.m compared to what he is in the books. In the books well idk have u heard this chapter?
It's so fricking good
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It's so fricking good
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This post was edited on 6/26/21 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 6/27/21 at 12:34 am to OMLandshark
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most were saying it was epic with Arya killing the Night King and “Best Episode Eva!”
Most were saying we couldn't see shite in that episode.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 2:17 am to OMLandshark
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but the show was completely dead for me the moment Arya snuck past hundreds of wights with no explanation and killed the Night King. From there I just looked at it as a comedy. It just took most the audience another 2 episodes to realize what was going on.
Nah, the swerve isn't that bad. Arya was an unwitting servant of the Many Faced God sent to kill the Night King, who represents undeath.
Problem is that the fat frick just told D&D that Arya kills the Night King with zero explanation.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 8:42 am to GoldenGuy
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Arya was an unwitting servant of the Many Faced God sent to kill the Night King, who represents undeath.
They never said that’s why she did that it.
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Problem is that the fat frick just told D&D that Arya kills the Night King with zero explanation.
He never told them that. The NK doesn’t even exist in the books. D&D said they chose Arya because they wanted to subvert expectations since everyone was expecting Jon.
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