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re: IGN: George R.R. Martin wishes the Game of Thrones books had stayed ahead of the series
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:02 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:02 pm to RollTide1987
That fatass is going to die long before he can finish that series
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Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:21 pm to GeauxAggie972
The ending was disappointing but looking back on it, the Dany bug out was logical and set up from the beginning. Like by generations of the fictional bloodline. It generated a lot of prickery on this board that was fun. Any kinda happy ending would have betrayed the nature of the work. The characters that began as hero’s turned villain, villains to hero. That was the basis of the work. The book throwing in new swerves won’t be a big deal. I think it would have been amazing to bring Jamie from lowest to the throne but maybe it was too big a swerve for the audience. That would have been cool.
This post was edited on 6/25/21 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:25 pm to RollTide1987
Sad that it was completely out of his control, then, isn't it?
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:26 pm to Rou Leed
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The ending was disappointing but looking back on it, the Dany bug out was logical and set up from the beginning.
King’s Landing surrendered to her. It was not logical. Plus there’s this, and it happened in an episode directly written by GRRM no less:
I like the idea of Dany burning down King’s Landing as the end, but they didn’t set it up within the show nor did it make sense when executed.
This post was edited on 6/25/21 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:35 pm to OMLandshark
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It was hilarious people defending “The Long Night” when it was clearly at the time anticlimactic, ridiculous, and just terrible. I got shite on, but the show was completely dead for me the moment Arya snuck past hundreds of wights with no explanation and killed the Night King. From there I just looked at it as a comedy. It just took most the audience another 2 episodes to realize what was going on.
Let's be honest that entire series of episodes was a nerdy unattractive, social justice fan girls wet dream between Brienne sleeping with Jamie (bizarre), Arya sleeping with Gendry, and then Arya also getting the kill on the night king. It was without a doubt a "girl power" moment that did not deliver. It didn't deliver even among social justice folks because it was simply a bizarre narrative choice after everything each character had done up to that point.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:42 pm to OMLandshark
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King’s Landing surrendered to her. It was no logical.
Yeah I can’t see something that is rushed as being logical. Dany eventually breaking completely does make sense. But the time they took to go from point A to point B was too rapid. Logical would be letting things play out a little more.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:46 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Yeah I can’t see something that is rushed as being logical. Dany eventually breaking completely does make sense. But the time they took to go from point A to point B was too rapid. Logical would be letting things play out a little more.
A Scouring of the Shire ending makes sense for Game of Thrones and I find it ambitious and admirable, but they fricked it up. I remember watching it live “Well from the books this makes sense because in all likelihood someone else will be in the Red Keep besides Cersei and they’ll build this up, but D&D just didn’t give a frick on how this would actually work.” It’s sad because I really, really like the idea of the series ending with Dany burning King’s Landing to the ground, but they just completely blow it and build it up over less than two episodes.
This post was edited on 6/25/21 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:48 pm to 1BamaRTR
Well that’s your take and it’s ok. Here’s mine. The last Queen that ran the city blew up half the place just to keep her spot and control. Another reign of terror but with dragon this time from an outsider wasn’t going to work anyway. So just burn it down and start over completely. Seems pretty straight forward. Now the democracy thing was pretty absurd and could be easily fixed in the books. The whole series explained why a kingdom ruled by all houses could never work even with the weird tree kid.
This post was edited on 6/25/21 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:49 pm to RollTide1987
He had full control over this happening.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:52 pm to OMLandshark
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Yeah, a third of us were saying it, but most were saying it was epic with Arya killing the Night King and “Best Episode Eva!” I wasn’t alone, but we were shite on by the majority, and then two episodes later everyone was “yeah, y’all were right. Sorry for doubting y’all.”
I don’t remember it being like that at all and people still majorly shite on the 8th season and all it’s frickery. It was pretty universally hated. I think your memory is off dude. Reading a handful of tweets doesn’t equate to majority.
This post was edited on 6/25/21 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:59 pm to JumpingTheShark
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I don’t remember it being like that at all and people still majorly shite on the 8th season and all it’s frickery. I think your memory is off dude.
I don’t think it is. Yeah, some posters were with me, but most were in denial saying it was epic as all frick. I clearly remember being shat upon for declaring it one of the biggest disappointments in television history and one of the worst episodes of the show. I didn’t imagine that even if there was a vocal minority that agreed with me. Episode 4 of that season the people who shat on the detractors of that episode were openly saying “Well… maybe they had a point.” and by Episode 5 everyone was saying “Yeah, the people who shat on The Long Night were completely right.” And the thing is I think 90% of viewers knew that episode was shite, they were just in denial.
It’s like me and The Last Jedi. “Well everything outside of Luke, Rey, and Kylo fricking sucked, but hey those scenes were cool and the actors gave great performances, right?” I woke up the next day just realizing after the denial that it all sucked. I don’t blame people for it, I just braced myself for it more than others.
This post was edited on 6/25/21 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 6/25/21 at 10:09 pm to RollTide1987
Martin and D&D did one heck of a job of pulling defeat from the jaws of victory.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 10:11 pm to 1BamaRTR
Beyond the Wall was the fun kind of bad, at least. The plot was idiotic and made no sense from a logistics perspective to say the least, but it was fun as all hell.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 10:52 pm to Rou Leed
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The last Queen that ran the city blew up half the place just to keep her spot and control.
So because her enemy was a bad person and people hated her, that means she will have to do the same?
It makes more sense to me for her to feel like a liberator and thus she would think people would welcome her. Or at least she would feel she’s a better ruler and person then her enemy, so people would be fine with her.
But just the fact that we don’t know for certain why exactly she did what she did, is why it isn’t good writing. You’re saying one thing, I’m saying the complete opposite. Things shouldn’t have to be laid out word for word but her true motivations and mindset should be at least somewhat obvious. Not left up to the viewers to guess.
Sometimes writers leave endings ambiguous but this wasn’t an ending. It was a major plot point that led to the ending.
Again I think her eventually becoming that way makes sense, but it would be far better if there was more progression.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 1:07 am to kingbob
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Beyond the Wall was the fun kind of bad, at least. The plot was idiotic and made no sense from a logistics perspective to say the least, but it was fun as all hell.
It was the equivalent of the Abrams Star Trek universe to the original. They’re really fun and good looking but they’re basically nothing like the source material they’re based off of. Thrones before then was so much smarter and actually made sense when you laid it down on paper.
You’re right that episode basically had no logic to it other than getting a sweet team up with some dragons.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 1:48 am to Goonie02
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I started reading a song of ice and fire in 2008. never thought the series would still be unfinished in 2021.
How you think the folks who started reading in the mid 90s feel.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 2:01 am to OMLandshark
quote:I upvoted your post. And I was disappointed hugely by the fact we never got Jon vs the Night King.
It was hilarious people defending “The Long Night” when it was clearly at the time anticlimactic, ridiculous, and just terrible. I got shite on, but the show was completely dead for me the moment Arya snuck past hundreds of wights with no explanation and killed the Night King.
But I did give it some slack; of all the people potentially capable of killing someone (not saying the prophecy stuff, saying the show-developed characters)- A Girl was pretty damned skilled. Granted, she was more an assassin than a warrior, but there were worse choices, IF YOU WANTED SOMEONE OTHER THAN JON.
I think the majority felt- there was no reason for it NOT to be Jon.
Some of the other gripes on this episode were sorta petty. Some folks complained about the layout of the forces, but not everyone plays Rome: Total War, and knows ballista should be behind your infantry. Or that the use of cavalry the way they depicted was a total waste. It was technically bad, but the depiction showed us what they used, and overall it looked cool to see.
The other complaint was the unkillable star power; too many folks survived that we knew. Oh well- Theon, Jorah, Beric, Little Lady Mormont, and Edd died.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 6:42 am to Volvagia
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How you think the folks who started reading in the mid 90s feel
I bought the first book when the 2nd book came out in 1998. Cause it was supposed to be a trilogy at the time and I figured I wouldn't have to wait too long for the next book...
Posted on 6/26/21 at 7:23 am to OMLandshark
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I don’t think it is. Yeah, some posters were with me, but most were in denial saying it was epic as all frick. I clearly remember being shat upon for declaring it one of the biggest disappointments in television history and one of the worst episodes of the show. I didn’t imagine that even if there was a vocal minority that agreed with me. Episode 4 of that season the people who shat on the detractors of that episode were openly saying “Well… maybe they had a point.” and by Episode 5 everyone was saying “Yeah, the people who shat on The Long Night were completely right.” And the thing is I think 90% of viewers knew that episode was shite, they were just in denial. It’s like me and The Last Jedi. “Well everything outside of Luke, Rey, and Kylo fricking sucked, but hey those scenes were cool and the actors gave great performances, right?” I woke up the next day just realizing after the denial that it all sucked. I don’t blame people for it, I just braced myself for it more than others.
Sheesh, frick living as a try hard contrarian.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 7:47 am to Goonie02
I started back in '98. Literally forgot all about it until they announced the show. If you had told me in '98 I would reach middle age before even the second to last book was published, I'd have called you a liar.
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