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re: House of the Dragon S2E4 - “A Dance of Dragons” - Hodor thread *No Spoilers*
Posted on 7/7/24 at 11:24 pm to LasVegasTiger
Posted on 7/7/24 at 11:24 pm to LasVegasTiger
So, and guesses on the status of Aegon? His dragon was clearly still alive, but looked like he was on his deathbed. I like to think if there was a chance Aegon was still alive that Cole wouldn't just be kneeling there, but then again he is a high functioning retard.
In next week's preview we see Aemond sitting in the kings chair in the counsel chamber, but he could just be filling in while Aegon is recovering, and we did see the casket looking vox being pulled into the Red Keep. At the same time, there's no way Aemond would have let Aegon live after betraying him. Aegon would take his head.
I'm betting Aegon is still alive, for now at least.
It's going to be a long week.
In next week's preview we see Aemond sitting in the kings chair in the counsel chamber, but he could just be filling in while Aegon is recovering, and we did see the casket looking vox being pulled into the Red Keep. At the same time, there's no way Aemond would have let Aegon live after betraying him. Aegon would take his head.
I'm betting Aegon is still alive, for now at least.
It's going to be a long week.
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Posted on 7/8/24 at 12:28 am to TigerFanatic99
Meleys always seems like it was bigger than any of the other dragons on team Black. They may need all of their dragons to take down Vhagar.
That was an incredible episode, and I think that the series so far is on par with S1-4 of GoT. The average episode is quite a bit better than GoT S5-8.
That was an incredible episode, and I think that the series so far is on par with S1-4 of GoT. The average episode is quite a bit better than GoT S5-8.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 12:55 am to THRILLHO
quote:I have no idea what seasons 5 and 6 get lumped with 7 and 8. IMO, they had some of the best episodes of the series: Hardhome, Battle of the Bastards, and The Winds of Winter.
The average episode is quite a bit better than GoT S5-8.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:43 am to buckeye_vol
Did anyone else notice how choppy and cheap looking the actual battle was?
Dragons were awesome and episode was great, but come on. The battle looked terrible.
Dragons were awesome and episode was great, but come on. The battle looked terrible.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 5:16 am to THRILLHO
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Meleys always seems like it was bigger than any of the other dragons on team Black.
They said pretty specifically that Meleys was the largest dragon within the Black's. She was also the fastest dragon in all of Westeros. They could have easily escaped from there after taking down Sunfire and hurting Vaeghar had the Princess not been suicidal.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 5:41 am to Golgi Apparatus
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Dragons were awesome and episode was great, but come on. The battle looked terrible
No one in any movie or tv show has figured out how to do a close up shot of someone flying on a dragon or something similar without it looking goofy.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 7:06 am to Sus-Scrofa
quote:The close up shots of Dany on Drogon in S7 and 8 looked pretty good
No one in any movie or tv show has figured out how to do a close up shot of someone flying on a dragon or something similar without it looking goofy.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 7:29 am to Gugich22
Sorry I’m a Hodor with a crazy loud house at times, so forgive me but I have some basic questions.
Why would Meleys do a suicide mission?
Did anyone else get the impression the soldiers were now following Alicents brother instead of Cole?
We said Cole approach Aemond with his sword out. I’m assuming he was going to make sure Aegon was dead?
I’m guessing Cole is about to be without a job. What do we think comes of him?
What would have been the consequences have been had Alicent kept the baby?
Why would Meleys do a suicide mission?
Did anyone else get the impression the soldiers were now following Alicents brother instead of Cole?
We said Cole approach Aemond with his sword out. I’m assuming he was going to make sure Aegon was dead?
I’m guessing Cole is about to be without a job. What do we think comes of him?
What would have been the consequences have been had Alicent kept the baby?
This post was edited on 7/8/24 at 7:32 am
Posted on 7/8/24 at 7:36 am to THRILLHO
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The average episode is quite a bit better than GoT S5-8.
The average episode budget for this season was like $20m, right? No way they spent that on the first 3 episodes, so there are going to be some expensive ones coming. Think we are going to have a lot of backloaded dragon action this season.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 7:38 am to VolSquatch
And this season is only 8 episodes instead of 10.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 7:39 am to GoGators1995
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And this season is only 8 episodes instead of 10.
You just ruined my morning
Posted on 7/8/24 at 7:39 am to VolSquatch
Do we all agree that was the best dragon fighting we've ever seen across GoT & HotD?
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:00 am to dallastiger55
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What would have been the consequences have been had Alicent kept the baby?
If Cole would be proven to be the father… he would have betrayed his Kingsguard oath. So the punishment is honor-bound. Cole isn’t from a powerful house like Jamie Lannister was, so he would have the protection only of Alicent, which isn’t saying much. Stripped of rank for sure; exile, Wall, or death possible.
Alicent would suffer no punishment other than shame.
The child would have been a bastard. The best scenario for him is to be sent back to Oldtown to be raised by the Hightowers. The child would have zero claim to the throne.
In my view, Alicent drank the moon tea for three reasons:
She did not want to endure public and family shame.
She wanted to protect Cole and keep the status quo.
Most importantly… I don’t think she wanted to admit she loved Cole enough to have his child. I don’t really think she loves Cole at all… because she doesn’t love herself. I think she has a lot of internal shame, manifested in her detachment from others and her attachment to religion in its place.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:08 am to SpqrTiger
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In my view, Alicent drank the moon tea for three reasons:
She did not want to endure public and family shame.
She wanted to protect Cole and keep the status quo.
Most importantly… I don’t think she wanted to admit she loved Cole enough to have his child. I don’t really think she loves Cole at all… because she doesn’t love herself. I think she has a lot of internal shame, manifested in her detachment from others and her attachment to religion in its place.
You missed a big one. Part of the way she justifies her actions is because she sees Rhaenyra as being childish and impulsive for having bastard children. Alicent had to endure getting banged by Viserys, and she did so willingly for the good of her house and because her position required it, the opposite of giving in to impulses. A child would have been a physical manifestation of her hypocrisy, regardless of any consequences its birth would have brought.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:12 am to THRILLHO
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Meleys always seems like it was bigger than any of the other dragons on team Black.
Easily the second largest behind Caraxes. Losing Meleys (and Rhae) is a huge blow but it was a costly victory for the greens too. They really lost two dragons because Aegon’s stupid arse. Now Aemond can’t ride out and offer support because he’s gotta fill in as king it looks like.
What really sucks is that Daemon’s plan likely would have worked if Rhaenys had just listened. Aemond is skilled and Vhagar is Vhagar but both Daemon and Rhae had a lot of experience fighting on dragonback that they would have used to kill them both. Maybe one of them still dies but getting Vhagar out of the way would make it worth it. Big arse XL bitch
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:13 am to dallastiger55
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Did anyone else get the impression the soldiers were now following Alicents brother instead of Cole?
I’m sure they would have preferred to not be turned into BBQ. But they still advanced despite Alicent’s brother basically calling it suicide. I didn’t get the impression that there was any doubt about Cole’s command of the troops, at least not up to that point.
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We said Cole approach Aemond with his sword out. I’m assuming he was going to make sure Aegon was dead?
Cole didn’t know Aegon was going to be there. Neither did Aemond. If Cole’s sword was out, I think it was just because he was on a battlefield. He went over there to find Aegon and see if he was still alive.
The more curious thing was Aemond sheathing his sword (dagger?) right as Cole walked up.
ETA: Just figured out that’s what you meant anyway. Sorry, misunderstood and thought you were talking about Cole having his sword out.
This post was edited on 7/8/24 at 9:21 am
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:19 am to WicKed WayZ
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What really sucks is that Daemon’s plan likely would have worked if Rhaenys had just listened.
I got the impression her issue was that a direct attack on King’s Landing with dragons was not Daemon’s call to make. This was while she was out looking for her son IIRC.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:24 am to dallastiger55
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Why would Meleys do a suicide mission?
This is an assumption, but I think the plan was for her to provide some support but not outright defend Rook’s Rest. She probably should have fled when she had the chance and that was probably the plan. Defend for as long as you can, burn the grounded army but if attacked by another dragon, GTFO. She had her chance. Maybe it was pride. Maybe she really did believe she could take Vhagar after damaging her. What’s unfortunate is that I think she does flee if both Vhagar and Sunfyre are still flying but I think her taking out one dragon gave her too much confidence she could take out the inexperienced Aemond.
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We said Cole approach Aemond with his sword out. I’m assuming he was going to make sure Aegon was dead?
I think they want us to think that Aemond was going to put Aegon out of his misery but couldn’t do it, which was why he was sheathing his sword when Cole called out to him. If you look closely too, Aemond isn’t really close to Aegon or Sunfyre. He’s crouching where the dagger is. I don’t put anything past Aemond but I do think he knows he’s far more valuable to the war effort than sitting behind in the Red Keep as Regent
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:28 am to lostinbr
Awesome episode.
With vhagars size, I don't see how the green lose. I get it would be risky and Ammon seems like he wants to be king, but there has to be some discussion of ambushing dragonstone with Vhagar and killing rhynara, right? Even with the dragons guarding dragonstone, I would put the odds pretty high that Vhagar could get to the castle and breach it to throw some fire.
Also intrigued by the witch lady at harrenhall and how it plays out. Never good when a lady like that gives you a "you're gonna die here" prophecy
With vhagars size, I don't see how the green lose. I get it would be risky and Ammon seems like he wants to be king, but there has to be some discussion of ambushing dragonstone with Vhagar and killing rhynara, right? Even with the dragons guarding dragonstone, I would put the odds pretty high that Vhagar could get to the castle and breach it to throw some fire.
Also intrigued by the witch lady at harrenhall and how it plays out. Never good when a lady like that gives you a "you're gonna die here" prophecy
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:32 am to lostinbr
Well of course that’s the stated reason in the show but nah it wasn’t just that. It was because it was Daemon and she was tired of his shite like pretty much everyone is. But it’s also partly Daemon’s fault. He told Rhaenys he wanted Vhagar for revenge on Luke. A son for a son. But if he had approached her tactically and said, “hey, one of us may die but getting rid of Vhagar and Aemond would likely put a swift end to the war and save countless lives” then he might have convinced her.
Dragonstone still had Jace and Baela and their dragons to protect Dragonstone if the Greens somehow attacked while Daemon and Rhae were attacking Kings Landing. In hindsight, she should have listened. I would be much happier falling to my death if I knew Aemond and Vhagar were dead and Rhaenyra had all but secured the throne with their deaths
Dragonstone still had Jace and Baela and their dragons to protect Dragonstone if the Greens somehow attacked while Daemon and Rhae were attacking Kings Landing. In hindsight, she should have listened. I would be much happier falling to my death if I knew Aemond and Vhagar were dead and Rhaenyra had all but secured the throne with their deaths
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