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re: Game of Thrones Season 5 - Episode 8 :"Hardhome" Readers Thread (Spoilers)
Posted on 6/1/15 at 8:29 am to bodask42
Posted on 6/1/15 at 8:29 am to bodask42
I could see that happening too. Jon has zero love for the Boltons; even though he wasn't close with Sansa, I still think he'd want to go save her from Ramsay like with Fake Arya in the books. We already saw how he almost didn't sign the letter from Roose in regards to send more men to the Wall. If it weren't for Sam he would've burned it IMO.
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Posted on 6/1/15 at 8:38 am to iluvdatiger
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No, those were random kids that had been dead for a long time before being turned into zombies.
One of those kids was from the prologue of episode one.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 8:48 am to blueboy
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I don't think it will be a "betrayal." I think that if he participates, it will just be him following the laws of the NW, very reluctantly. It would be a typical television soap opera drama scene, if it happens, and I don't expect anything more than formulas from "D&D."
If he doesn't participate, how do you see him reacting to Jon's stabbing? I think he is either held back by other NW men or killed trying to defend Jon.
He'll be horrified and then say "What the frick is going on?!" I don't think Edd will die.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 8:55 am to OMLandshark
I thought for a minute that das sound machine woman would be "val" and that was quickly answered when she met a herd of dead kids.
damn what an episode.
damn what an episode.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:01 am to jrodLSUke
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but no one knows how to make Valaryian steel. Yet.
I thought the death of Valyrian steel manufacturing had more to do with the disappearance of magic. Forged with spells and what not. We've seen many examples of magic once again becoming prominent, and I think it's only a matter of time before it can be made again.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:05 am to Putty
To our knowledge, no one knows the spells required to forge new valerian steel. Reforging and reshaping are different than forging from new.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:09 am to Warfarer
I think Gentry rowed over to Valyria and has been training in the arts of smithin Valyrian steel.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:16 am to Methuselah
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I know my knowledge of Westeros geography is lacking, but why doesn't Jon just sail the Wildlings south of the wall directly?
I think that was a goof. I was also thinking there's no need to go through the wall since they can sail around. In fact, I think they launched from south of the wall in the first place.
Another thing I was wondering is how the hell does Wunn Wunn get on a ship?
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:24 am to Salmon
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so anybody else notice this guy and get a bad feeling?
yep...I halfway thought when the WW summoned his forces that dude was going to get up and start hacking folks to bits.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:25 am to YumYum Sauce
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I think Gentry rowed over to Valyria and has been training in the arts of smithin Valyrian steel.
Ooh, I like it.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:30 am to Putty
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Another thing I was wondering is how the hell does Wunn Wunn get on a ship?
Maybe they tow him?
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:31 am to Putty
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so anybody else notice this guy and get a bad feeling?
Maybe it's Benjen.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:34 am to Warfarer
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To our knowledge, no one knows the spells required to forge new valerian steel. Reforging and reshaping are different than forging from new
Yeah, I was thinking it was two-fold. One being as you said, that the spells died with the Valyrians during the Doom. And that dragon's breath was a main ingredient used to forge them.
But since there were no more Valyrian steel weapons forged since the Doom even though the Targaryans had dragons for sometime while in Westeros, kind of lends to the first theory that the secret to the spells used to forge them died in Valyria with the Doom.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 9:48 am to JumpingTheShark
quote:The show is doing exactly what the books did. Jon is making unpopular decisions, but the NW has no legal justification to kill him for it. He has to desert for them to be able to do this.
The show has definitely set it up to Jon being stabbed because of his alliance with the Wildlings.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 10:00 am to blueboy
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NW has no legal justification to kill him for it. He has to desert for them to be able to do this.
It has been a while since I read the book, but I never got the impression Jon's killing was "justified" or intended to be "justified." I always looked at it as a mutiny of sorts. They did say, "for the Watch," but I took that to mean they viewed his decisions as jeopardizing their safety and the Wall.
It seems to me the show is confirming my view of it (at least in the show), with Alliser's foreshadowing warning that all Jon's friends were dying. I.e., watch your back. Maybe I missed something from the books that will pop out on my reread, though.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 10:22 am to Warfarer
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I don't see Valyrian steel being the answer to the White Walkers issue. I think Dragon glass will be the solution they go for in both the books and the show.
I think the solution is the 3 fire breathing fighter jets currently in the possession of Daenerys Targaryen
Posted on 6/1/15 at 10:29 am to Green Chili Tiger
so my question is...what happens next episode?
was this the episode 9 of this season and they just decided to surprise us with bumping it up 1 episode?
do we see Dany fly next week? Or will that be the finale?
was this the episode 9 of this season and they just decided to surprise us with bumping it up 1 episode?
do we see Dany fly next week? Or will that be the finale?
Posted on 6/1/15 at 10:30 am to Putty
quote:They kill Jon after he announces that he's going to Winterfell with the wildlings to fight the Boltons. He's basically deserting the Watch to take part in Westeros' affairs, breaking his vows. He even thinks to himself "if this is what it feel like to be an oathbreaker, it feel pretty good" or something like that.
It has been a while since I read the book, but I never got the impression Jon's killing was "justified" or intended to be "justified." I always looked at it as a mutiny of sorts. They did say, "for the Watch," but I took that to mean they viewed his decisions as jeopardizing their safety and the Wall.
quote:Allister says that to Sam.
It seems to me the show is confirming my view of it (at least in the show), with Alliser's foreshadowing warning that all Jon's friends were dying. I.e
Posted on 6/1/15 at 10:36 am to blueboy
Sam saying Jon "always comes back" 
Posted on 6/1/15 at 10:37 am to blueboy
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Allister says that to Sam.
But he also had a conversation with Jon before Jon headed out (and before his conversation with Sam).
But the fact that he told Sam he was losing all of his friends kind of hinted that he was already contemplating killing Jon. I don't think it was a threat to Sam, but probably more of a warning as to what was up.
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