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Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:11 am to Bamatab
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I'm pretty sure they won't stab him because he tries to leave the Watch to try and save Sansa like he does to save Arya in the books. So they will betray him because he has brought the Wildlings across the Wall, which I'm pretty sure that Edd is now ok with.
But if that's the case, why wouldn't they just not let the Wildlings through the wall in the first place? I think it's going to be the "letter" with the same ambiguity as to who actually sent it as in the books (except it can't be Mance since he's apparently actually dead -choices would be either Ramsey himself or maybe Theon with an outside chance of someone else being on the inside of Winterfell under cover).
Another thing - I know my knowledge of Westeros geography is lacking, but why doesn't Jon just sail the Wildlings south of the wall directly?
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:13 am to KG5989
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Her not in GoT character and garb...
She was great as ze head German in Pitch Perfect 2.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:16 am to LoveThatMoney
Interesting thought: If the Night's Kind was a Stark (know he was Lord Commander but can't remember if he was a Stark), then Jon is likely a distant descendant of his (through his mom of course ).
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Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:17 am to Bamatab
quote:What makes you so sure of that?
I'm pretty sure they won't stab him because he tries to leave the Watch to try and save Sansa like he does to save Arya in the books.
quote:Nothing supports this, really, as he did pretty much the same thing in the book. It wasn't until the letter that he was stabbed.
So they will betray him because he has brought the Wildlings across the Wall, which I'm pretty sure that Edd is now ok with.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:17 am to Methuselah
It's hard to see Jon wanting to leave for Winterfell after watching this episode.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:28 am to Methuselah
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But if that's the case, why wouldn't they just not let the Wildlings through the wall in the first place?
First off, do we know yet (from the preview) if the Wildlings are let in before Jon gets stabbed? Jon could just be let in and then stabbed. But the Wildlings could be let in since not all of the Nights Watch will participate, and are willing to go against Jon.
And yeah, seems like a plot hole that Jon doesn't just land south of the wall. But maybe the port that Stannis' ships are is just North of the wall?
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:33 am to blueboy
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What makes you so sure of that?
I said I'm pretty sure, not 100% sure.
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Nothing supports this, really, as he did pretty much the same thing in the book. It wasn't until the letter that he was stabbed.
Jon never went to Hardhome, nor did he face off with a White Walker and have a stare down with the Great Other/Nights King.
Also, I think it wouldn't be as believable for Jon to forsake the Nights Watch for Sansa like he did in the books with Arya because of the bond that Jon and Arya had.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:53 am to Bamatab
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I think it wouldn't be as believable for Jon to forsake the Nights Watch for Sansa like he did in the books with Arya because of the bond that Jon and Arya had.
Also Jon in the books didn't fricking stare down the head Other after fighting an army of wights.
I didn't like how they made the wights a combination of 28 Days Later and World War Z zombies.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 12:57 am to Cockopotamus
I know I'm late to the thread but holy shite balls that was an awesome episode. So many high points and the crazy part is the slowest part is Cersei's downfall which is glorious
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:13 am to Bamatab
quote:As far as his stabbing is concerned, that isn't any different than him allowing the wildlings to pass through the wall. That doesn't alter the situation at all.
Jon never went to Hardhome, nor did he face off with a White Walker and have a stare down with the Great Other/Nights King.
quote:Irrelevant. His "bond" is meaningless. Nothing but his willful departure from the NW is grounds for his execution. Whether it's Arya, Sansa, Theon, etc., it makes no difference.
Also, I think it wouldn't be as believable for Jon to forsake the Nights Watch for Sansa like he did in the books with Arya because of the bond that Jon and Arya had.
quote:No they won't, because they have no legal reason to. It has to be because of the letter, when he breaks his vows.
So they will betray him because he has brought the Wildlings across the Wall, which I'm pretty sure that Edd is now ok with.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:19 am to BluegrassBelle
I didn't see Dawn on that list?
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:20 am to blueboy
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Nothing but his willful departure from the NW is grounds for his execution
Well he didn't try to leave the Night's Watch, he tried to mobilize it against the Bolton's and get it involved in the wars of the Seven Kingdoms.
I think if Jon had gone on his own to support Stannis then his brothers wouldn't have executed him because they probably wouldn't have the chance as its unlikely Jon would announce to them that hes leaving
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:24 am to Gugich22
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I didn't see Dawn on that list?
Dawn isn't a Valyrian steel sword. It was made from a meteorite.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:25 am to ladytiger118
Awesome episode. But a) why can't the white walkers just walk on water and freeze it? Also, if it was that damn cold, wouldn't that body of water be frozen?
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:45 am to Gugich22
Salty bodies of water freeze at different temperatures and usually can reach sub-freezing temps due to constant motion as well. But in the books, there were indeed "dead things in the water."
I am a bit pissed that by cutting out Coldhands, they pretty much completely left out the fact that the Wall was NEVER built to keep out wildlings, but to keep out White Walkers. It would have been nice if Jon could have said that tonight when trying to convince the Wildlings it was time to pass through the Wall.
I am a bit pissed that by cutting out Coldhands, they pretty much completely left out the fact that the Wall was NEVER built to keep out wildlings, but to keep out White Walkers. It would have been nice if Jon could have said that tonight when trying to convince the Wildlings it was time to pass through the Wall.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:50 am to SoGaFan
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Dawn isn't a Valyrian steel sword. It was made from a meteorite.
Ahh....you're right.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:51 am to Cockopotamus
quote:Yes, he did. He even referred to himself as an "oathbreaker" after announcing that he was going to go fight the Boltons for reasons that had nothing to do with the NW.
Well he didn't try to leave the Night's Watch
quote:Wrong. Leaving the service of the NW for any reason is grounds for execution, per Eddard in book 1. Traveling for Hardhome (on the show) or allowing the wildlings to pass through the Wall(book) is still in the service of The Watch. Saying that he was leaving The Watch itself to go fight in the name of Westeros' affairs is what got him killed. That was his his specific, definable crime, not his unpopular choices regarding the wildlings.
I think if Jon had gone on his own to support Stannis then his brothers wouldn't have executed him
Posted on 6/1/15 at 1:52 am to SoGaFan
I loved the two really nice pieces of foreshadowing in this episode....
1) Sam saying "I've been worrying about Jon for years....he always comes back"
2) Qyburn alluding to Robert Strong
What a great episode!
1) Sam saying "I've been worrying about Jon for years....he always comes back"
2) Qyburn alluding to Robert Strong
What a great episode!
Posted on 6/1/15 at 2:12 am to Gugich22
It is late, but I might watch it again.
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