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Posted on 5/14/19 at 7:42 pm to LUS Tiger in FL
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To be honest- I thought she was just gonna fly to the Red Keep and light Cersei up. That would have been awesome to watch.
This was my line of thinking as well, but I thought she'd take the the red keep down entirely. Even the citizens around it would go, but with a little twinge of regret at what she thought she had to do. This fit the worst impulses of her character arc.
I want to know what triggered the genocide. That was Cersei level hatred, which was something outside the boundaries of her character up to that point.
I guess we're supposed to believe that she managed to suppress her "incest driven crazy" gene until it was convenient for the writers to make it just pop up.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 7:47 pm to RB10
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:00 pm to RB10
quote:She’s like Bill Belichick against Manning and the Colts in the playoffs. She’s deep in her own territory with the lead and it’s 4th down. She can punt it (end with the bells) and still have the lead but Manning (Jon Snow with support) could still come back. Or she could take the risk and end it now if she get’s a first down. She decided go for it and this next episode, we’ll see if it worked and she got the first down, and if not, whether Jon can take advantage of the short field position.
I want to know what triggered the genocide. That was Cersei level hatred, which was something outside the boundaries of her character up to that point.
I guess we're supposed to believe that she managed to suppress her "incest driven crazy" gene until it was convenient for the writers to make it just pop up.
Also in the analogy, Bill’s assistants who would advise him are either dead or have lost his trust. Plus a couple of his best defensive players are dead too.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:02 pm to RB10
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I want to know what triggered the genocide. That was Cersei level hatred, which was something outside the boundaries of her character up to that point.
She got broken up with. Relationship status: Single.
She’s not the first person to take a breakup badly and go into a rage. She’s just the first person ever that got broke up with and owned a pet dragon.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:05 pm to JPLSU1981
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She got broken up with.
Jon just didn't want to bang his aunt anymore.
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She’s not the first person to take a breakup badly and go into a rage.
Just the most successful? A 500K body count over a breakup has to be a record.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:07 pm to RB10
Whether because of the throne or the aunt-nephew incest, whatever Jon’s reasons really is irrelevant. Jon said “our love affair is over.”
It was the trigger that pushed her to say frick it all, burn it down.
If women in the real world owned dragons, we’d see this all the time.
It was the trigger that pushed her to say frick it all, burn it down.
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A 500K body count over a breakup has to be a record.
If women in the real world owned dragons, we’d see this all the time.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:08 pm to RB10
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Let’s look at it from this point of view given her comment about future generations. Dany wants to be worshipped like in Essos. She knows she is never going to get that from the people of Westeros hence the fear it is comment. Dany has a savior complex which has clearly been shown thus the people running for protection in the Red Keep are not in her mind “her people”. They defy her by not recognizing her as their savior. In her mind they are not bending the knee. What does she do to people that don’t bend the knee?
That sounds like a solid plot. It sure would have been nice to be clued into what she was thinking so we can come to a nice logical conclusion.
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You saw the same things the rest of us did. You’re just not questioning why he sink into madness wasn’t more of a process. It’s a simple as you being satisfied with what you’ve been presented while others want more out of them.\
Obviously not. Because through various intentional foreshadowing they have spelled out her thought process and the peasents reaction in addition to a number of other things is a trigger to snap. either you are straight up lying, bitching just to bitch because you want ot complain about everything D&D does, want it spelled out for you like a cbs sitcom, or all of the above.
This will be my last post because you have been intentionally obtuse throughout
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:08 pm to JPLSU1981
quote:And she doesn’t have her BFF to sit around with her as she complains about her boyfriend, and her best rebound sex option died too. And if she went on tinder, she’ll either find a bunch of men who are rapists (Dothraki), have no balls, or a dwarf she is currently despising.
She got broken up with.
She’s not the first person to take a breakup badly and go into a rage.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:09 pm to JPLSU1981
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Whether because of the throne or the aunt-nephew incest, whatever Jon’s reasons really is irrelevant. Jon said “our love affair is over.”
It was the trigger that pushed her to say frick it all, burn it down.
I'd buy it, if this were a CW show.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:11 pm to Adam Banks
quote:I mean Thanos is lauded as one of the best villains because of his morally complex motivations. And his entire plan was to wipe out half of the many of trillions in the universe, and his belief that the remaining inhabitants will thrive and appreciate that the genocide of trillions led to their prosperity.
Let’s look at it from this point of view given her comment about future generations. Dany wants to be worshipped like in Essos. She knows she is never going to get that from the people of Westeros hence the fear it is comment. Dany has a savior complex which has clearly been shown thus the people running for protection in the Red Keep are not in her mind “her people”. They defy her by not recognizing her as their savior. In her mind they are not bending the knee. What does she do to people that don’t bend the knee?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:13 pm to Adam Banks
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Because through various intentional foreshadowing they have spelled out her thought process and the peasents reaction in addition to a number of other things is a trigger to snap.
Give a single event from her past that foreshadows the genocide of hundreds of thousands of innocents.
Please, please use her killing the two Tarly men again.
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either you are straight up lying, bitching just to bitch because you want ot complain about everything D&D does, want it spelled out for you like a cbs sitcom, or all of the above.
Or, I wanted an actual story told rather than a cheap plot hole escape. Crazy, I know.
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This will be my last post because you have been intentionally obtuse throughout
My stance has been the same for 30+ pages and not a single person has been able to justify the ridiculous pace of the last two seasons, much less the last two episodes.
The only thing you people can do is sit there and scream that I "just don't get it".
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:14 pm to buckeye_vol
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I mean Thanos is lauded as one of the best villains because of his morally complex motivations. And his entire plan was to wipe out half of the many of trillions in the universe, and his belief that the remaining inhabitants will thrive and appreciate that the genocide of trillions led to their prosperity.
We got more backstory on his motivations in a 3 hour movie than we did in the last 2.5 seasons of this show.
This actually backs my point that it was rushed and poorly delivered.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:18 pm to RB10
Last week, I was confused as to the “seemingly out of nowhere” Dany is supposedly going mad and people for little or no reason worried about her going mad (Varys, Tyrion). Her going mad certainly felt rushed.
This week made more sense with Jon ending their sexual relationship. That, combined with losing Missandei and Jorah, pushed her over the edge to where she made an emotional decision that spewed rage.
She always had rage in her, but for the most part everything has always gone her way and when she did rage it was always on “bad guys” so we gave it a pass. It’s easy to be good when everything is going good. Now things are going bad with her personal relationships, and the bad parts of her surface. It doesn’t make her evil... she’s still a liberator, has done good things, but now she’s also shown that she’s human and also does bad things when emotional. She’s not perfect, and she’s never has been a saint. She fricked up here, as everyone does...well, everyone but Jon Snow.
This week made more sense with Jon ending their sexual relationship. That, combined with losing Missandei and Jorah, pushed her over the edge to where she made an emotional decision that spewed rage.
She always had rage in her, but for the most part everything has always gone her way and when she did rage it was always on “bad guys” so we gave it a pass. It’s easy to be good when everything is going good. Now things are going bad with her personal relationships, and the bad parts of her surface. It doesn’t make her evil... she’s still a liberator, has done good things, but now she’s also shown that she’s human and also does bad things when emotional. She’s not perfect, and she’s never has been a saint. She fricked up here, as everyone does...well, everyone but Jon Snow.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:20 pm to HailToTheChiz
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He rode through the mountains on a dragon
Friggin EPIC
: Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:21 pm to JPLSU1981
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Last week, I was confused as to the “seemingly out of nowhere” Dany is supposedly going mad and people for little or no reason worried about her going mad.
This week made more sense with Jon ending their sexual relationship. That, combined with losing Missandei and Jorah, pushed her over the edge to where she made an emotional decision that spewed rage.
So she's just another unstable vagina? If we're going with a cheap cop out, I'll go with this one I guess.
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It doesn’t make her evil... she’s still a liberator, has done good things, but now she’s also shown that she’s human and also does bad things when emotional.
I was on board until this. If razing a city doesn't put you into the evil category, I don't know what does. If it wasn't the most atrocious thing done on the entire show, it's 2nd only to Cersei nuking a church and an entire city district with it.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:26 pm to buckeye_vol
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Didn’t she ignore Tyrion’s plea for them to take the black?
He told Tyrion Dany cant send him to the wall because she is not my queen. Randall and Dickon were given multiple chances.
They had no problem doing the same thing to Olenna. I wont say he didn't deserve to die, its war.
His interactions with Jaime was Jaime just being an arse imo.
Sam is just a soft crybaby. His dad basically disowned him, called his woman a whore. And he runs and tells John like a bitch.
Everyone is ruthless
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:29 pm to RB10
My belief is one of the main moral points of the show is...there are no good people, there are no bad people, there are just people. People make choices for their own reasons that make sense in their own mind and those choices affect others, sometimes in good ways and sometimes in bad ways.
Cersai... all she ever cared about was herself and her children and her lover. We look at Cersai as the evil villain, but Is there really anything wrong with this and her mindset?
Dany...all she ever cared about was reclaiming her family’s throne and gettting revenge. Seems reasonable, and we always supported her mission and looked at her as the hero/good guy, but the process of achieving power inevitably took its toll on her and she became something totally different than what she envisioned for her herself...a bad guy.
Cersai... all she ever cared about was herself and her children and her lover. We look at Cersai as the evil villain, but Is there really anything wrong with this and her mindset?
Dany...all she ever cared about was reclaiming her family’s throne and gettting revenge. Seems reasonable, and we always supported her mission and looked at her as the hero/good guy, but the process of achieving power inevitably took its toll on her and she became something totally different than what she envisioned for her herself...a bad guy.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:30 pm to RB10
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This was my line of thinking as well, but I thought she'd take the the red keep down entirely
Yes- that's what I meant. Just destroy the red keep. But Tyrion saying "ring the bell" comments 50 times drove her nuts. Probably thought it was a trap, which is plausible coming from a Lannister.
She went from 5 to 100 in my interpretation. I wont argue against someone else's lol
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:35 pm to RB10
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Just the most successful? A 500K body count over a breakup has to be a record.
Only one that might come sort of close might be Menelaus, the cuck who Helen dumped for Paris, starting the Trojan War.
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