re: Game of Thrones S8E5 "The Bells" is officially the worst reviewed GOT episode yet

Some of yall need to do a rewatch. Shes been talked out of doing what she did like 5 times over the course of the show and from what has transpired over the last episodes makes sense that she snapped and made a full circle. If yall want to bitch about something bitch about the damn bows. Some people really are just unhappy unless they can complain about something.

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It's not just the pacing. It's specific choices made by the writers.

Everyone's opinion on the last two episodes completely changes if they scrap Euron sniping Raeghal in episode 4 and instead have Daenerys attack Kings Landing exactly like she initially did but with Drogon and Raeghal. When Reaghal is killed during the assualt, she loses her shite exactly like she did in the episode.

Completely believable and much more realistic.

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I would have been ok with that. But the betrayal factor wasnt there yet. That clearly was sending her over the edge added to the lack of love she felt from the places she wanted to rule or even love from the man she loved. There were more factors that led up to her madness than people are making it seem.

I mean if Jon would have just gave her the D then really everything would have been all good. He's an idiot for not hitting that.

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Her doing horrific evil things to Cersei’s army would be in character... massacring the innocents, not so much.

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But they purposely showed it from the perspective of the conquered not the conquerer. I’m sure it almost always looks that way from that perspective, even when the conquerers are liberators.

Besides, I doubt she was up there just picking out random groups of women and children like a sniper, and ordering Drogon to fry them, while enjoying their massacre. I think she was just seeing it as collateral damage after (in her view) they had time to leave the city instead of running to Cersei for protection.

Again. I see it more like our own foreign policy, a combination of warning the population of an incoming bombing nowadays and become collateral damage if they stay, with nuking—not once but twice—Japan to end their threat and ensure it’s ended completely by showing not only the capability of could be done, but the willingness to do it.

Of course, you could argue it’s not like the nuking because they had already surrendered; however, unlike Japan’s surrender which was to end a war (the threat itself), from her perspective, surrender was not an end to the threat since ending a war was not the sole (or even ultimate) goal; power was the goal and her goal for the entire series.

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But the betrayal factor wasnt there yet. That clearly was sending her over the edge added to the lack of love she felt from the places she wanted to rule or even love from the man she loved

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What? In his alternate version, nothing else changes except that Raeghal dies in episode 5 instead of 4. The “betrayal” already happened. Basically have Euron snipe Raeghal while the bells are ringing and Dany has stopped fighting assuming they were surrendering. Her getting tricked again, Tyrion advice failing her for the final time, losing another child, then she snaps. That would have been 10x better.

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I also saw Jamie's character development as a surprise instead of taking a shite on his development

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My main problem with Jaime was how unimportant he was to the endgame. He could've died last season and the main plot wouldn't change at all. His only purpose this season was to kill fricking pirate pacey.

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Again. For the about 100th time. Nobody is arguing her snapping didn’t make sense. The argument is that the way they portrayed it and the way it actually happened was not written well and could have been so much better.

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But for many, this seems a lot like the rationalization of my fellow Cavs fans after the decision with the “it was not that we just lost one of the greatest players of all time, it’s how he did.”

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Is it treason for the rightful heir to tell people he's the rightful heir or for someone with a lesser claim to demand he ignore his birthright?

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Well he was fully claiming for her to be his queen and that he didnt want to rule. So his queen essentially commands him not to tell anybody and he immediately goes and tells somebody.

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lol at all the neckbeards pissed that their theories didn’t play out. Blame D&D all you want but this is the fat mans story and he gave them the ending

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Yea, it has everything to do with expectations. The problem is we expected decent writing. It’s had problems before, but they’ve taken it up a notch or two. The theories had little to do with it.

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What? In his alternate version, nothing else changes except that Raeghal dies in episode 5 instead of 4. The “betrayal” already happened. Basically have Euron snipe Raeghal while the bells are ringing and Dany has stopped fighting assuming they were surrendering. Her getting tricked again, Tyrion advice failing her for the final time, losing another child, then she snaps. That would have been 10x better.

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Im not saying it wouldnt have been better. It would have just been one more thing to add to it when I think there were already enough. But there were changes in that she didnt know about the betrayal until episode 5. Or after Raeghal was killed, either way you want to look at it. It had happened, but she didnt know.

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Nobody is arguing her snapping didn’t make sense

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Yes they are? Have you read these threads?

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The argument is that the way they portrayed it and the way it actually happened was not written well and could have been so much better

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And yet few people have offered any ideas on what could have been done to make it better. The ideas that have been offered have been more problematic and more tailored to just what they want to see. I mean a guy in this thread who used the term "bad writing" over 20 times wanted a montage right before she burned down KL. A fricking montage. That's one of the laziest tools in filmmaking and would have been completely out of left field.


Since episode 1 of this season Dany has been turning.

What's more grand in portraying her fall to darkness than using her dragon to destroy a great city and kill millions of innocents?