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re: Game of Thrones S8 E1 "Winterfell" Official Thread
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:16 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:16 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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song of Ice (Jon) and Fire (Dany).
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Jon is ice and fire
A little crackpot theory debate going on here sons.
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:20 pm to Frac the world
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They have to kill her arse because she won’t give up her claim and goes bat shite crazy turning the dragons on everyone else
Until they hear Bran. And then turn on her when she tells them to burn everything.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:24 pm to Mystery
quote:Are you serious?
What does any of that have to do with Danny? The Tarly’s were just an opposing force to Danny. She executed him. He may have deserved a death (although she had no way of knowing that) but Dickon surely didn’t deserve it. All because of her ego of wanting them to kneel. Tyrion tried to get her to spare Dickon and she refused.
The comparison was to Jon. He has never done anything close to that cold.
Dany's whole basis is that she's coming to reclaim what is rightfully hers. Her angle is that SHE is the rightful ruler, and she is removing the treasonous people who took her family's throne.
If she's the legitimate ruler, then opposing her is treason, and punishable by death. That sounds harsh, but I think it probably applies to most medieval monarchies (which this show draws from).
And she didn't wholesale massacre those who fought her on the battlefield, she accepted their surrender and gave them the option of pledging fealty. Those who did were spared. Those who didn't were executed.
Comparing to Jon- he rounded up the traitors and hung them. He executed the man who refused an order.
He didn't give them the option of saying "I'm sorry, I will follow your lead from here on out" in return for freedom.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:25 pm to Scoob
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Dickon
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:28 pm to Scoob
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and she is removing the treasonous people who took her family's throne.
Which gives in to question, would she still feel that way with the rightful Targaryen on the throne?
And he could still make her queen, that family was into it.
This post was edited on 4/15/19 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:28 pm to WeBleedCrimson
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He hanged a kid.
frick OLLIE!
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:37 pm to dawgfan24348
Dany has to know Jon has Targaryen blood. Only those with Targaryen blood or blood of old Valeria were ever able to ride dragons since the Doom of Valarya.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:37 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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A little crackpot theory debate going on here sons.
It’s not a crackpot theory. Jon is literally ice (Stark) and Fire (Targaryen)
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:40 pm to Napoleon
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Dany has to know Jon has Targaryen blood. Only those with Targaryen blood or blood of old Valeria were ever able to ride dragons since the Doom of Valarya.
She doesn't exactly base her thought processes in logic...
Posted on 4/15/19 at 9:57 pm to SEClint
quote:Davos' talk of a proposal makes a lot of this "who's the rightful heir" pointless.quote:
and she is removing the treasonous people who took her family's throne.
Which gives in to question, would she still feel that way with the rightful Targaryen on the throne?
And he could still make her queen, that family was into it
In the context of this story, the incest angle just isn't that damn awful. They aren't bro and sis, they're basically cousins. Targareans did this for generations, and BTW so did medieval European royalty. That's why every King was related to each other.
I mean, this is from Wikipedia:
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As a result of dynastic intra-marriage all of Europe's 10 currently reigning hereditary monarchs since 1939 descend from a common ancestor, Johan Willem Friso, Prince of Orange
As to the quandary of "who rules", simple enough- with a marriage you put 2 thrones up, not one.
Some talk about how Martin was breaking tropes.
How about this:
Jon, the peaceful, merciful king who sees the good in all people,
who tempers
Dany, the fiery warrior queen whose wrath is fearsome.
That flips the genders we see in such royalty in most novels, and they'd accomplish it without making Jon a wuss. And it isn't sexism, it's just flipping the personality traits we're used to seeing.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:21 pm to dawgfan24348
I am sure that this has been mentioned but I loved that the writers paid off Dany's barbequing of the Tarly's with Sam in last night's episode. It was refreshing to see some of Dany's rash decision making have real consequences, rather than her getting a pass on everything because she is Dany.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:23 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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What was?
Jaime pushing him out of a window.
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:23 pm to Scoob
Dany will end up giving birth to a son and she and Jon will both die. Sansa and Theon will end up raising the child that will rule the world
Who cares what Bran will do. He has tons of power and doesn't seem to be able to use it correctly. He could be looking for important stuff but instead likes to watch his sister getting raped
Who cares what Bran will do. He has tons of power and doesn't seem to be able to use it correctly. He could be looking for important stuff but instead likes to watch his sister getting raped
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:39 pm to Scoob
You are seeing what you want to see I guess. No point in arguing with you on this anymore. Yea, he hung up some people who killed him. He killed a oath breaking criminal.
Danny literally had never seen Westeros. She didn’t know any of those people. Just that she wants revenge and her land back from people she doesn’t know. Burns them for not kneeling.
She crucified the lords of mareen.
In what world would Jon do this?
The characters in the show know it, most fans know it. But live in your dreamland. You will be let down if you think her cruelty won’t be a plot point soon. The foreshadowing is heavy.
Danny literally had never seen Westeros. She didn’t know any of those people. Just that she wants revenge and her land back from people she doesn’t know. Burns them for not kneeling.
She crucified the lords of mareen.
In what world would Jon do this?
The characters in the show know it, most fans know it. But live in your dreamland. You will be let down if you think her cruelty won’t be a plot point soon. The foreshadowing is heavy.
This post was edited on 4/15/19 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:44 pm to blueboy
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:51 pm to emanresu
just gonna leave this here
Posted on 4/15/19 at 11:00 pm to Matisyeezy
Posted on 4/15/19 at 11:41 pm to Scoob
quote:No. They aren't. She's his aunt. She is the daughter of The Mad King and Rhaella, so genetically, it's the same as Jon fricking Rhaegar.
they're basically cousins.
Getting hundreds of millions of people to root for a dude fricking his aunt is some next level evil genius stuff.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 12:03 am to SEClint
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The weapon Arya wants built. Wonder who it will be for?
This is a shot in the dark, but from the drawing she gave Gendry, I think she wants him to make her something like a modular spear (at least on one end). If she has a bunch of dragonglass heads on short replaceable shafts, she can detach and replace them when they break down during combat. That way, she has something with more reach that doesn't become useless when the first brittle point breaks.
I couldn't tell what is supposed to be on the opposite end (the one that wasn't labeled "dragonglass"). It looked like it could have been a basket hilt. If that's the case, she may be asking for something like a rapier with a replaceable obsidian point.
This post was edited on 4/16/19 at 12:04 am
Posted on 4/16/19 at 12:34 am to Mystery
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The characters in the show know it, most fans know it. But live in your dreamland. You will be let down if you think her cruelty won’t be a plot point soon. The foreshadowing is heavy.
Jon's my choice for the Iron Throne, man. I just think this current anti-Dany stuff is silly. Did she need to roast the Tarly's? No, she didn't. Yes, that was a little overboard. She's trying to win a war.
Jon doesn't need to get himself and everyone around him killed in battle either, and that keeps happening.
My DREAMLAND...? We're talking about a fantasy show on TV, y'know.
BTW, the foreshadowing was heavy last season that Sansa and Arya were going to come into conflict. That ended up being a misdirection setting up Littlefinger for the kill.
This Dany-Jon conflict is being laid on thick, too thick to not suspect something else might happen...
Plot twist- Bran's been compromised by the Night King with the touch, he went through the Wall to break the magic spells (like he broke the spells protecting the 3ER), and he's feeding Sam and others just whatever info the NK wants to confuse and weaken them. It was his news that led the group beyond the wall, exposing the dragon as a result. That's why he was smug with Jon about being "almost" a man. That's why he was curt about the greeting, and why he's using Sam to stress Jon and Dany's relationship. Littlefinger was too smart to let stick around, and it strengthened his place and importance in the process by giving out the info to kill him.
edit to add: in thinking about this conspiracy, it ABSOLUTELY makes sense to get rid of Littlefinger. He's an ambitious twat, but he's extremely perceptive and doesn't want the world to end. If he accepts the threat of the Night King as real, he will be helpful in his own way- just he'd be dangerous as hell when he thinks the threat is gone. And he'd quickly smell out a plant or mole, as he's used to running them from the other side.
NK isn't in full command so Bran is consciously loyal, but he's got a heavy cloud of misinformation flowing to him, just like Denethor in LOTR. (Book more than movie)
I mean, you have 1 man, Hodor, admittedly strong, holding a door against hundreds of wights, and the escape is a girl pulling a crippled teen boy on a sled in the snow. You mean to say they get far enough of a lead to get away? No fricking way.
NK WANTS him there.
Meera foreshadowed that, said he died in that cave.
This post was edited on 4/16/19 at 12:47 am
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