re: Game of Thrones S4:E9: "The Watchers on the Wall", HODORS ONLY (no readers)

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If you don't think that Jon Snow is a top 5 character - I'm not certain which show you've been watching for 4 seasons.

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He's clearly important but he is not portrayed by a great actor and I'm not all that invested in his storyline. He seems very one note to me. Stark honor to the detriment of everything else.

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It seems like a lot of you get a little hung up on individual episodes of this show, whereas I tend to view it as one big story. This battle and storyline has been building up the entire series and is a crucial turning point moving forward. Wildlings successfully storm the gate and they will wreck shite all the way to kings landing, as there are no united armies between there and the wall; no army even has it on their radar.

In this sense, all the drama going on in westeros will be obsolete with the advent of an intense winter, along with wildlings and white walkers destroying the realm. In other words, this is the most important of all storylines, because something will come of it regardless of one or two people dying.

This episode was necessary to truly introduce the wildling forces, and I have a sneaking suspicion Jon Snow will be a big player in the future. Him losing his girl was bigger than yall are giving it credit for.

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I'm not saying the battle isn't important, but it's hard to not get hung up on this episode individually when the battle is literaly the only thing that happened in it, and only the initial battle where Mance was "testing the defenses." This isn't even the "epic" part of this huge, epic battle. Thus, we basically got 50 minutes of meh.

And you say it introduced the wildling forces, but that's not really true. Unless you mean introduced as in we saw Tormund and his small unit and then saw Mance's unit from atop the wall, along with a few shots of giants on wooly mammoths. Did we even see Mance's face at all? We certainly didn't see anything going on from his end aside from them trying to open the gate, climbing the wall, and shooting a couple of arrows about 500 feet short of the top of the wall.

I agree with EC here:

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I agree that Jon is a very important character, but this episode didn't even feel like Game of Thrones to me. It felt like an action movie, without any real twists or turns. Did anyone really feel like Jon was going to die, or the forces at CB were going to "lose" to the wildling army at any point? It felt predictable and out of character to the whole series.

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I loved the episode, but even if you didnt like it, why wouldnt you just trust the writers at this point? Yall are acting like SFP now in the True Detective threads.... "they didnt do this, they didnt address this....they are gonna run out of time to address this"... holy frick. Calm down.

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Terrible comparison, brah.

This show has shown itself to not lend enough time to storylines in past seasons, and normally they are broken down to cover all/most of them within two episodes (like how Dany may be in every other one, or Arya/Hound appear in every other one). So for this one to solely focus on a single thing makes me worried that they're either gonna BLAST through and give minimal screen time everything next week, or we're gonna be left hanging on a lot of things for 9 months.

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we're gonna be left hanging on a lot of things for 9 months.

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This is what will happen because it has happened in the past.. It's an ongoing story with tons of content. And from what I can tell from the bookreaders, if they are following the book for the most part. So it's not like they can easily pick and choose what to end. Im sure going into Season 5 they are going to leave you wanting more.

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Terrible comparison, brah.

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I think its spot on. Who cares if they don't close up every storyline next week? That's what season 5 is for. At least with TrueDet you knew Season 2 would be totally different and they HAD to close things up.

Like i said, this is an ongoing story. If it's not closed next week, it will pick up in Season 5. It sucks we have to wait that long but that's just how it is.

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He's clearly important but he is not portrayed by a great actor and I'm not all that invested in his storyline. He seems very one note to me. Stark honor to the detriment of everything else.

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I believe last night's episode was trying to show a turning point in the characters development.

Again, I'm not sure how people are down on this episode, it is a huge part of the story. There has been a ton of time wasted in this show with meaningless dialogue, so Im not complaining bc there was too much action in this one.

It seems like the same people that are upset about no giant battle scene in the tunnel are the same people that are upset the whole episode was a battle scene. Personally, I thought the scene where the guys in the tunnel were saying their oaths and buying into their role while a fricking giant capable of plowing through a steel gate was charging them was about as real as this show gets (from a human spirit sense), and was a great scene. The goal was to stop the giant, and they did. The scene was likely not pretty, but they got the job done and that was the point, not the actual battle.

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Why doesn't Mance just get someone to warg an owl to see how many men there are and what the defenses are at Castle Black? Oh wait...

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I thought that's what they were doing at first when they showed that Thenn warging the owl. I was like well that was easy...now they can just see what's going on inside the castle.

Holy hell that episode was awesome. Damn near teared up when Ygritte died. "You know nothing.. Jon Snow."

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Oh wait what? That warg was not with Mance. Are we assuming he has unlimted wildlings with the sight?

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why would he be so stupid as to NOT do this is what I want to know?

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why would he be so stupid as to NOT do this is what I want to know?

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Because he doesn't have a warg... I dunno. We have not seen him with one. That was the group on the south side of the wall.