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re: Game of Thrones S4:E9: "The Watchers on the Wall", HODORS ONLY (no readers)
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:24 am to CocomoLSU
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:24 am to CocomoLSU
Garbage episode-black water completely better done.(Imp speech, tactics, no "mythological creatures")
anyway, what we got in this episode was just run of the mill fighting. We've all seen it before. No politics, reveals, unsuspected heart wrenching death....or anything that the show is known for.
Couple questions
1. Did that blind Targarean survive? What's his story, was he sent to the wall before the Mad king died if not, why did robert let him live?
2. What's Mance's story again? He was a night's watch that left....right? He doesn't know the in's-out's, numbers, and tactics of the crows? He was a night's watch for much longer than Jon has been.. right?
anyway, what we got in this episode was just run of the mill fighting. We've all seen it before. No politics, reveals, unsuspected heart wrenching death....or anything that the show is known for.
Couple questions
1. Did that blind Targarean survive? What's his story, was he sent to the wall before the Mad king died if not, why did robert let him live?
2. What's Mance's story again? He was a night's watch that left....right? He doesn't know the in's-out's, numbers, and tactics of the crows? He was a night's watch for much longer than Jon has been.. right?
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Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:25 am to CrippleCreek
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When we first meet the thenns they say something about Giantsbane having lost his warg as if they were standing issue to wildling platoons or something, so I assume there are some more.
Oh I don't remember this.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:26 am to CrippleCreek
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I also really liked the leadership speech to Jon by the acting Lord commander guy.
Yeah that was cool. I liked that he spewed some wisdom on him and then was like "Let's do this and we can go back to hating each other."
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:36 am to OceanMan
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It seems like a lot of you get a little hung up on individual episodes of this show, whereas I tend to view it as one big story.
Bingo.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:38 am to CocomoLSU
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I'm not saying the battle isn't important, but it's hard to not get hung up on this episode individually when the battle is literaly the only thing that happened in it, and only the initial battle where Mance was "testing the defenses." This isn't even the "epic" part of this huge, epic battle. Thus, we basically got 50 minutes of meh.
Dude, I'm not really sure how else to say it, but I believe jon snow coming to leadership at the wall is huge for the entire story. I might be wrong, he might die the next episode, but I dont think this guy can make a living just killing off every character at a time you least expect it. That would be incohesive garbage. Every story needs heroes. This episode might have given us info that we dont yet know is useful.
Your argument seems to be that basically, you didn't learn anything new. I would argue that we learned that Jon has embraced his role in the NW, and will rise as the leader. He is no longer conflicted with the woman he loves fighting for the other side. At the end of the episode he set out to essentially save the realm, and no one even knows he exists outide the wall and a handful of other people. I suppose this is just too familiar of a story for people to get on board with, but for me, I have someone that I can't help but root for.
The wall is the story,it always has been. All of the other shite going on is a distraction. The characters are distracted, as is the audience, apparently.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:40 am to Iona Fan Man
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1. Did that blind Targarean survive? What's his story, was he sent to the wall before the Mad king died if not, why did robert let him live?
Yes Aemon survived. He was much older than Aerys, so it's possible that Robert's generation wasn't aware of him or just didn't care. He couldn't pursue the crown anyway, that would require forsaking his vows.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:41 am to OceanMan
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it is a huge part of the story.
these dumb undisciplined nomads with cannibals and Giants, who have never been a real threat....still aren't.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:42 am to OceanMan
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The wall is the story
shite. Not much is going to matter in Westeros if they can't stop the White Walkers from advancing past the wall.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:42 am to OceanMan
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Dude, I'm not really sure how else to say it, but I believe jon snow coming to leadership at the wall is huge for the entire story. I might be wrong, he might die the next episode, but I dont think this guy can make a living just killing off every character at a time you least expect it. That would be incohesive garbage. Every story needs heroes. This episode might have given us info that we dont yet know is useful.
Your argument seems to be that basically, you didn't learn anything new. I would argue that we learned that Jon has embraced his role in the NW, and will rise as the leader. He is no longer conflicted with the woman he loves fighting for the other side. At the end of the episode he set out to essentially save the realm, and no one even knows he exists outide the wall and a handful of other people. I suppose this is just too familiar of a story for people to get on board with, but for me, I have someone that I can't help but root for.
I have no problems with any of that, and I don't disagree with you. You're arguing things that I didn't say. My problem with the episode was that we could've gotten all of what you said out of the same story told in half the time. My problem wasn't with the content itself...but the lack of other content.Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:48 am to CrippleCreek
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I hated Joe's decision at the end. It was stupid and rash. Stupid and rash gets punished in this series so something terrible should happen to him soon.
Stupid and rash yes, except he knew that it was, which is different than most other characters that make similar decisions. It was also brave, and what are the other options does he have, run and hide? He is a leader, and doing what he thinks is right. He is empowered knowing he made the right call with the tunnel, and was the leader that turned the attack in their favor. He is selfless in a world filled with selfishness and greed.
I feel like a lot of you that are typically a lot more worried with character development and literary devices than I usually am are kind of missing the point in this episode bc they werent shocked by something like other episodes.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:48 am to OceanMan
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Dude, I'm not really sure how else to say it, but I believe jon snow coming to leadership at the wall is huge for the entire story. I might be wrong, he might die the next episode, but I dont think this guy can make a living just killing off every character at a time you least expect it. That would be incohesive garbage. Every story needs heroes. This episode might have given us info that we dont yet know is useful.
Your argument seems to be that basically, you didn't learn anything new. I would argue that we learned that Jon has embraced his role in the NW, and will rise as the leader. He is no longer conflicted with the woman he loves fighting for the other side. At the end of the episode he set out to essentially save the realm, and no one even knows he exists outide the wall and a handful of other people. I suppose this is just too familiar of a story for people to get on board with, but for me, I have someone that I can't help but root for.
The wall is the story,it always has been. All of the other shite going on is a distraction. The characters are distracted, as is the audience, apparently.
Great Post.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:48 am to CrippleCreek
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I hated Joe's decision at the end. It was stupid and rash. Stupid and rash gets punished in this series so something terrible should happen to him soon.
Jon Snow is in this thing for the long haul. No way he dies anytime soon
This post was edited on 6/9/14 at 10:49 am
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:49 am to Iona Fan Man
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these dumb undisciplined nomads with cannibals and Giants, who have never been a real threat....still aren't.
What? Yes they are. Them and the white walkers are the biggest threat on the show. Or is my sarcasm radar off?
This post was edited on 6/9/14 at 10:52 am
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:50 am to OceanMan
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Stupid and rash yes, except he knew that it was, which is different than most other characters that make similar decisions. It was also brave, and what are the other options does he have, run and hide?
Exactly.
Sam: "That's a stupid plan."
Jon: "Yeah, it is a stupid plan....what's your plan?"
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:51 am to OceanMan
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bc they werent shocked by something like other episodes.
Yea, it is almost like people can't enjoy the show anymore unless something unexpected and shocking happens.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:51 am to wildtigercat93
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Jon Snow is in this thing for the long haul. No way he dies anytime soon
We can only hope.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:52 am to Mystery
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Yea, it is almost like people can't enjoy the show anymore unless something unexpected and shocking happens.
I'll say that that isn't true at all for me. The dialogue and politics are some of my favorite parts of the show.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:55 am to Mystery
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Them
no
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the white walkers are
yeah, but they got lost.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:55 am to CocomoLSU
Underrated moment last night: Jon smashing in that guy's skull with ball peen hammer.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:56 am to CocomoLSU
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Sam: "That's a stupid plan."
Jon: "Yeah, it is a stupid plan....what's your plan?"
The lack of a better plan mere hours after a battle that stretched his forces to their breaking point doesn't excuse the pursuit of a terrible plan imo.
Knowing it's a terrible plan makes it worse imo.
He just abandoned the forces that he took leadership of just hours before.
"who is left to give orders?"
You were Jon Snow, then you just walked away.
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