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re: Game of Thrones S4:E9: "The Watchers on the Wall", HODORS ONLY (no readers)
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:48 am to Boudin
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:48 am to Boudin
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He isn't going to make an attempt on Mance's life, they'd never let him get close enough, and he left his blade at Castle Black
true he left his sword, but he also told Sam that once Mance is gone i.e dead, the tribes he brought together would start fighting each other again. I think he has full intention on killing him or atleast trying. He surely isnt gonna get close enough to talk to him and and change his mind either. Maybe he takes some dead wildling clothes and blnds in until he gets his eyes on Mance...who knows
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Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:50 am to SpqrTiger
I didn't suggest any of that, reply to the right person 
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:51 am to SpqrTiger
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Dude... you're suggesting cutting the battle scene by pretty much half... so they could show a fricking WEDDING???
Basically I'm saying that there are too many questions in the GoT universe to have an entire episode focused solely on answering one set of questions.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:51 am to wildtigercat93
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The attacked nearby villages to draw out crows in the open and weaken their forces at castle black.
Right, I know that. But I meant compared to where they crossed. But etm just said it was a different part where they crossed the wall. So the theory was for Tormund and his party to draw out crows to weaken their forces and then take Castle Black from the south and open the gates to let Mance and the army through I guess.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:52 am to MrBiriwa
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true he left his sword, but he also told Sam that once Mance is gone i.e dead, the tribes he brought together would start fighting each other again. I think he has full intention on killing him or atleast trying. He surely isnt gonna get close enough to talk to him and and change his mind either. Maybe he takes some dead wildling clothes and blnds in until he gets his eyes on Mance...who knows
He's the leader of the crows now so he's a valuable hostage. I think he will let himself get captured and wait for a moment to kill Mance
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:56 am to SpqrTiger
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Dude... you're suggesting cutting the battle scene by pretty much half... so they could show a fricking WEDDING???
Sure, people get killed all the time at weddings in Westeros these days, but ... dude...
It's not "to show a wedding." It's to address some of the umpteen storylines currently going on at any given time. As much as I love GoT, one problem with it is that there is always SO MUCH shite going on. So while it's good that we saw some of the battle (and really just the beginning...like Jon said, that shite is FAR from over), we literally saw nothing else. They could've easily gotten the same thing across in half the time and used the other half of the episode to get to some other things. Not to mention that we'll still see more of the Castle Black battle I assume (at least with Jon/Mance).
Never before has an entire episode focused on one single thing. Yes, the episode was good, but the show suffered because of that IMO.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:56 am to CocomoLSU
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Wow what? Like I said initially, I thought it was the worst, but not because the episode itself was bad, but just because they wasted the entire episode on one thing (and it wasn't terribly "epic"). I still enjoyed the episode; it's more of a testament to how good the show is that this is one of the (if not the) worst episodes of the series.
So they could spend 5-10 minutes with Dany sitting in her new throne room not getting naked? Bran looking for a tree? Littlefinger creep on Sansa? Theon/Reek weirdo scenes?
Everyone cares about the story in Kings Landing with Tyrion. Everything else right now is pretty meh.
That was epic hour of television.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:58 am to wildtigercat93
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He's the leader of the crows now so he's a valuable hostage. I think he will let himself get captured and wait for a moment to kill Mance
Possibly. Didn't Mance sort of take a liking to him when they met before? So maybe he plans on using that to try to talk to him again. But he definitely made it seem like his mission was to kill Mance because that's the only way to win is to do away with him since he's the one uniting the tribes and once he's gone they'll go back to quarrelling with each other and stop storming the wall.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 8:59 am to CocomoLSU
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But I meant compared to where they crossed. But etm just said it was a different part where they crossed the wall.
There are quite a few different castle/forts along the wall that have become vacant over the years.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:02 am to RTR America
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So they could spend 5-10 minutes with Dany sitting in her new throne room not getting naked? Bran looking for a tree? Littlefinger creep on Sansa? Theon/Reek weirdo scenes?
Basically, yeah. Maybe not those things specifically, but they could've used at least half the episode to advance/address other storylines for sure.
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That was epic hour of television.
"Epic" gets thrown around far too much these days. It was an entertaining episode of television, sure. But epic? Especially considering they could've gotten the exact same story/feeling across in half the time? Nah. Blackwater Bay scenes were much more "epic" than this, and that was done in less than half an episode basically. It wasn't bad television at all, just poorly efficient use of television. That's the point.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:05 am to CocomoLSU
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Possibly. Didn't Mance sort of take a liking to him when they met before? So maybe he plans on using that to try to talk to him again
There's no way they trust him again.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:08 am to CocomoLSU
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Basically, yeah. Maybe not those things specifically, but they could've used at least half the episode to advance/address other storylines for sure.
For all we know they don't need much advancing at all. The final episode is 66 minutes for a reason.
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"Epic" gets thrown around far too much these days. It was an entertaining episode of television, sure. But epic? Especially considering they could've gotten the exact same story/feeling across in half the time? Nah. Blackwater Bay scenes were much more "epic" than this, and that was done in less than half an episode basically. It wasn't bad television at all, just poorly efficient use of television. That's the point.
I underlined television because some of y'all seem to forget they aren't working with some outrageous movie budget when shooting these things, so they have to skip things like Giant fight in the tunnel.
The reason black water is likely better in your opinion is because it involved 3 of the most likable characters in the show in Tyrion, the hound, and Bronn. Plus it had Joffrey acting like a bitch.
I enjoyed the actual battle portion of this episode more.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:08 am to wildtigercat93
i missed the episode, what happened?
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:26 am to CocomoLSU
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"Epic" gets thrown around far too much these days. It was an entertaining episode of television, sure. But epic?
it wasn't even in the same realm as epic. it was a nice battle scene i suppose but that's it. i, also, feel there was a lot of wasted time in the episode.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:29 am to RTR America
It was an hour without any of the shows top 5 characters at a minimum and arguably top 10 characters appearing.
That we've been told ad nauseum that the wall is where the real life and death war will be going on doesn't mean they have actually shown anything in the show to make me care about the story line.
The wall has had a lot of telling and not much showing. That's why I wasn't invested at all in the episode.
That we've been told ad nauseum that the wall is where the real life and death war will be going on doesn't mean they have actually shown anything in the show to make me care about the story line.
The wall has had a lot of telling and not much showing. That's why I wasn't invested at all in the episode.
This post was edited on 6/9/14 at 9:30 am
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:32 am to CocomoLSU
It seems like a lot of you get a little hung up on individual episodes of this show, whereas I tend to view it as one big story. This battle and storyline has been building up the entire series and is a crucial turning point moving forward. Wildlings successfully storm the gate and they will wreck shite all the way to kings landing, as there are no united armies between there and the wall; no army even has it on their radar.
In this sense, all the drama going on in westeros will be obsolete with the advent of an intense winter, along with wildlings and white walkers destroying the realm. In other words, this is the most important of all storylines, because something will come of it regardless of one or two people dying.
This episode was necessary to truly introduce the wildling forces, and I have a sneaking suspicion Jon Snow will be a big player in the future. Him losing his girl was bigger than yall are giving it credit for.
In this sense, all the drama going on in westeros will be obsolete with the advent of an intense winter, along with wildlings and white walkers destroying the realm. In other words, this is the most important of all storylines, because something will come of it regardless of one or two people dying.
This episode was necessary to truly introduce the wildling forces, and I have a sneaking suspicion Jon Snow will be a big player in the future. Him losing his girl was bigger than yall are giving it credit for.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:42 am to CrippleCreek
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It was an hour without any of the shows top 5 characters at a minimum and arguably top 10 characters appearing.
If you don't think that Jon Snow is a top 5 character - I'm not certain which show you've been watching for 4 seasons.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:43 am to OceanMan
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This episode was necessary to truly introduce the wildling forces, and I have a sneaking suspicion Jon Snow will be a big player in the future.
that's true i'm sure.
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Him losing his girl was bigger than yall are giving it credit for.
to jon maybe but she's like a dirty, stinky, tough acting skank to me.
that scene really didn't move me at all. Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:45 am to Ace Midnight
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Posted on 6/9/14 at 9:46 am to piggilicious
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to jon maybe but she's like a dirty, stinky, tough acting Stank with nice tits to me.
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