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re: Game of Thrones S4:E9: "The Watchers on the Wall", HODORS ONLY (no readers)
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:57 am to CocomoLSU
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:57 am to CocomoLSU
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Sam: "That's a stupid plan."
Jon: "Yeah, it is a stupid plan....what's your plan?"
Their best moment of the series so far. Sam is coming into his own as a leader, and Jon is continuing to follow what appears to be the only choice open to him - sort of a resigned prisoner of his own destiny. Leaving Ironclaw was a nice touch - as if to say - "I'm not killing anybody - I'm going to parley." - without actually saying that.
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Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:57 am to CrippleCreek
Snow knows the wall won't hold much longer. He's going to use the last resort he's got at this point and try and destroy their army from the inside. That's leadership, not abandonment
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:58 am to CocomoLSU
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The dialogue and politics are some of my favorite parts of the show
that is my favorite too which is why the dark hard to see fighting, slicing and dicing grunt/ugh/grunt/ugh/grunt/ugh doesn't do anything for me.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:58 am to CrippleCreek
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The lack of a better plan mere hours after a battle that stretched his forces to their breaking point doesn't excuse the pursuit of a terrible plan imo.
Knowing it's a terrible plan makes it worse imo.
He just abandoned the forces that he took leadership of just hours before.
"who is left to give orders?"
You were Jon Snow, then you just walked away.
I think the point was it didn't matter who gave the orders anymore. Once they attacked again they would all die. So he is trying the one thing that could save them.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 10:59 am to CocomoLSU
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My problem wasn't with the content itself...but the lack of other content.
My whole point was that I think we got more content than you are giving credit for. I see where you are coming from, but there have been some bad episodes of this show, with characters just babbling the entire duration. I was entertained the entire time in this one.
frick, sam is not a complete pussy fat shite anymore. That should be good enough for a C grade.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:00 am to RTR America
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Underrated moment last night: Jon smashing in that guy's skull with ball peen hammer.
That was awesome, I figured Ygritte was going to kill that guy so she could kill John herself. Glad they had John kill him to prove he's a BAMF now.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:02 am to piggilicious
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that is my favorite too which is why the dark hard to see fighting, slicing and dicing grunt/ugh/grunt/ugh/grunt/ugh doesn't do anything for me.
This, and there were several moments last night where I couldn't see WTF was going on. Could barely make out any details on the giants and the mammoth.
That one panning shot of the inside of the castle while all the fighting was going on was badass though
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:03 am to Ace Midnight
RIP Ygritte
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:05 am to Mystery
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unless something unexpected and shocking happens.
or a bad arse scene of dialog
Imp and Tywin type stuff
Things of Lore/history previously unknown that shed light.
this was action based with canned meh dialog.."back to the cave", "I'm not afraid anymore"...."brother's unite!"
it was just a common fight scene pulled from the CIGs of....LOTR/Roman/Gladiator movies....common oh "died in his arms" from Karma death arrow.
There was NOTHING unique to GOT...even the "scythe" scene is dumb.....a whole wall, a one time use device, perfect scrape of a dozen guys who the crows, with perfect mathematical geometric calculation, release.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:05 am to CocomoLSU
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I'll say that that isn't true at all for me. The dialogue and politics are some of my favorite parts of the show.
I agree 100%. This episode wasn't the worst but it also wasn't one of the best. This is not an action series, in my opinion, and should not try to be one. I also cringe when any episode strays away from Kings Landing as that is, by far, my favorite part of the show.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:07 am to Iona Fan Man
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a one time use device
"Hoist it back up"
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:08 am to craigbiggio
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That was awesome, I figured Ygritte was going to kill that guy so she could kill John herself. Glad they had John kill him to prove he's a BAMF now.
Yeah I was fully expecting the guy to be preparing a finishing move on Jon then an arrow flys in and saves him.
This post was edited on 6/9/14 at 11:09 am
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:09 am to piggilicious
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that is my favorite too which is why the dark hard to see fighting, slicing and dicing grunt/ugh/grunt/ugh/grunt/ugh doesn't do anything for me.
The tagline for the entire show is 'Winter is Coming.' Prepare for disappointment.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:09 am to RTR America
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Underrated moment last night: Jon smashing in that guy's skull with ball peen hammer.
I sort of cringed when that Thenn smashed Jon's face on the anvil.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:09 am to DanTiger
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I agree 100%. This episode wasn't the worst but it also wasn't one of the best. This is not an action series, in my opinion, and should not try to be one. I also cringe when any episode strays away from Kings Landing as that is, by far, my favorite part of the show.
KL is trivial bullshite compared to the war at the wall (wildlings and WW). That's why Stannis said frick trying to get my throne, there won't be a throne to have if the wall falls
This post was edited on 6/9/14 at 11:10 am
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:10 am to OceanMan
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but there have been some bad episodes of this show, with characters just babbling the entire duration
oh yeah, but that's what the scene called for.....battle scenes are to show bravery and sacrifice and EPIC speeches to rally troops....not...you dumb, you dumber, let the guy who's been here a month lead......oh shoot some arrows......try to hit someone..
Think Tyrion and the speech at blackwater. Think the strategy employed, think Cersi on the throne with poison waiting for to doors of death to open, think the hound's "frick the king".
from this.....cool scythe...uhh..bad asss giant arrow....uhhh......ginger mink
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:10 am to CocomoLSU
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I sort of cringed when that Thenn smashed Jon's face on the anvil.
We should be stuck with a toothless Jon Snow after that
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:11 am to CrippleCreek
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The lack of a better plan mere hours after a battle that stretched his forces to their breaking point doesn't excuse the pursuit of a terrible plan imo.
Knowing it's a terrible plan makes it worse imo.
He just abandoned the forces that he took leadership of just hours before.
"who is left to give orders?"
You were Jon Snow, then you just walked away.
It's more that he is going to do that because he knows they will lose if Mance attacks with an army ~100,000 strong. So it's not a horrible plan at all IMO. Sure, it's risky, but like Jon said, they'll either kill him out there or they'll kill him when they raid the wall/castle again, so he might as well go try to kill Mance and end the battle that way and actually win than face inevitable defeat.
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:12 am to wildtigercat93
But KL is better TV. That the wall is incredibly important doesn't make it interesting.
Just lIke dany/dragons are clearly important but brutally boring every time we see them.
This ominous "bigger fight" isn't populated by the same rich and intriguing characters that KL and now the Eyrie are.
Just lIke dany/dragons are clearly important but brutally boring every time we see them.
This ominous "bigger fight" isn't populated by the same rich and intriguing characters that KL and now the Eyrie are.
This post was edited on 6/9/14 at 11:14 am
Posted on 6/9/14 at 11:12 am to CocomoLSU
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The dialogue and politics are some of my favorite parts of the show.
I agree with this, I guess that's why I wasn't overly enamoured with this week's episode. I still enjoyed it, though.
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