re: Andor Season 2 Discussion (All Episodes Available)

The story of him correcting Filoni on canon is always funny

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Now, regarding the actual raid, and the aftermath... I actually would have told her to shut the hell up. This isn't their planet, they didn't do any of that to help the Ghormans, just to strike at the Imperials. Everyone else in the room is in this for Ghorman.
So they came in as expert outside advisors to show how to do it, and the only casualty is one of them. And the other one was totally overwhelmed by that, was standing around in shock and would have blown the raid. The Ghormans, multiple times, told her "we have to go". And then, she goes off all high and mighty on them afterwards.
It just put me off.

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You’re not wrong about any of this, but I do think there’s another layer to it. Yeah it’s the Ghormans’ planet, but they asked for help because they knew they couldn’t pull it off. They tried to get Andor to help them and he walked away, so they went back to Luthen and pressed him to send someone else (at least that’s my impression). The Ghormans don’t know what they’re doing.. Andor pointed that out multiple times.

That’s why Vel and Cinta were so stern with the Ghormans about following orders - I took it as “if you want our help these are the rules, period.” So when Cinta gets killed because one of the Ghormans straight up disregarded orders, Vel is rightfully pissed about it. The Ghormans aren’t telling her to shut up because they know it wouldn’t have happened if they followed the instructions from the folks they asked to help them.

Again, you’re not wrong. Just saying I think Vel’s reaction makes sense in context.

On another note, one of the themes of this arc (maybe all of Andor, but especially this arc) has been the psychological toll that comes with the rebellion. Bix struggling to avoid going off the deep end. Andor struggling to come to grips with the realities of the war he’s fighting. Vel freezing up in the middle of an op. Even Luthen is starting to fray from being stretched too thin.

It’s a pretty fitting theme for the overall story and you can start to see how we eventually graduate to Rogue One when all is said and done. Eventually everyone left standing will be completely desensitized to all of it, and nothing will matter except the cause.

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I also think Dedra is still somewhat in the dark of the full scope of what the Empire is doing on Ghorman

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I mean they basically told everyone at the secret meeting (including Dedra) that they might have to crack the planet. I don’t think she’s that in the dark.

They might be holding back some of the details on what they plan to do with the Kalkite (I assume it’s for the Death Star, but maybe I’m wrong) but I thought they were pretty clear on what this might mean for Ghorman.

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and I don't think she's revealed everything she knows to Syril either. He's even more in the dark.

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Agreed on this point. That was the purpose of the conversation between Dedra and Partagaz. Syril could never know what the actual long term goal of their actions was (inciting a rebellion to turn public opinion further against Ghorman and allow the empire to ultimately justify strip mining the planet and cracking its core). I’m curious what Syril thinks the end game actually is, though, or if he’s just happy to be kept in the dark as long as he’s contributing.

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I think (hope, at least) that when we look back on Cassian Andor’s entire story once this is complete, it’s going to look like a masterpiece of a character arc. All of these little shifts and cues are subtle, but present. And they are woven into these individual story arcs in a way that fits without really being noticeable until you step back and think about the bigger picture.

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Cassian walking away from Ghorman really shocked me but it was such a brilliant stroke of character creation. As much as he's done already, and what we know he'll be in Rogue One, he still has a lot of growing to do.

I had a lot of expectations of how this season was going to play out, and so far i'm batting .000. And I think that just means this is a great show

Dang

She has only had 2 outfits, essentially. Her dress for the shop and parties, and the hooded jacket with high heel boots when she met up with Vel after the heist. She also wears pretty heavy lipstick in the show. Probably what throws me off.

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I’m curious what Syril thinks the end game actually is, though, or if he’s just happy to be kept in the dark as long as he’s contributing.

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The dude pretty much had an orgasm and told his girlfriend that Partagaz complimenting him was the best moment of his life. I'm sure he's just fine with the current situation.

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He's incapable of processing at that level.

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