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Posted on 5/3/25 at 3:49 pm to
Posted by lostinbr
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 3:49 pm to
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Also how would they know it’s Luthen if they found the listening device? Does he have a stamp on it or something?

I think it’s mostly the fact that they bought the piece from Luthen. So he would be near the top of the list of people who could have planted it.

They might not know for sure that it was Luthen. Presumably he would deny it and say someone else must have planted the bug. But Luthen still can’t afford that kind of scrutiny, regardless. His entire operation relies on the fact that nobody has any suspicions about him.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 4:53 pm to
On a side note, who'd be down for a Luthen origin story starring Bill Skarsgard?
Posted by MAXtheTIGER
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 5:51 pm to
I finally got to catch up today and wow this is good TV. The way they are doing this is giving us basically 4 season finales and you can feel the difference towards the end in episode 3 and episode 6.
Posted by Esquire
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 7:01 pm to
Here is a behind the scenes video of episodes 4-6.

Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:17 pm to
Would be awesome but like Mike from breaking bad it’s hard to do a prequel with an aging star even if they’re still badass
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:24 pm to
I mean one of his 95 sons who are also actors. Bill seems to be the best choice in terms of how much more he resembles Stellen.
Posted by Handsome Pete
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Posted on 5/4/25 at 3:06 pm to
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Along the same lines - what happens with Mon's husband? I'm guessing hes going to stumble onto her activities. Do they off him? Do they part ways amicably with him promising to be silent? Does he stick with her and is just a background contributor to the cause we never hear about?
I think it's gonna turn out Perrin was in on it with Mon all the time, or at least well aware of what she she is doing and helping out in his own way. I think their argument about his gambling in front of the eavesdropping chauffeur in season one was an act to explain her disappearing credits.
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Posted on 5/4/25 at 3:09 pm to
Am I the only one more interested in what happens with Syril than anything else happening on this show? Such a bizarre character to feature in a series like this, Tony Gilroy has to have big plans for him. I predict he goes full rebel.
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Posted on 5/4/25 at 3:34 pm to
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Am I the only one more interested in what happens with Syril than anything else happening on this show? Such a bizarre character to feature in a series like this, Tony Gilroy has to have big plans for him. I predict he goes full rebel.


What I think will happen is Syril and Cassian will cross paths, Cassian will have a reaction similar to what Gorst had with Bix ("do I know you?"), and considering Syril jizzed himself when Partagaz complimented him, he'll have a minor coronary when finally coming face to face with his white whale, will fumble to remove a blaster from his holster, Cassian will smoke him, move along, and that will be the end of Syril.
Posted by Handsome Pete
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Posted on 5/4/25 at 4:26 pm to
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Cassian will smoke him, move along, and that will be the end of Syril.


Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 5/4/25 at 4:43 pm to
Who knows what Gilroy will do, but Syril has a pitiful existence. I can see his exit just being a blip.
Posted by lsusa
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Posted on 5/5/25 at 12:27 am to
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Am I the only one more interested in what happens with Syril than anything else happening on this show? Such a bizarre character to feature in a series like this, Tony Gilroy has to have big plans for him. I predict he goes full rebel.


I think Syril’s motivations throughout season 1 hint strongly toward his ultimate fate.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 5/5/25 at 10:02 am to
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...the stealth MVP of Andor’s second season is none other than a seemingly insignificant antiquities shop assistant.

Kleya Marki steals every single scene she’s in as the assistant to flashy antiquities dealer Luthen Rael (Stellan Skarsgård). Of course, Kleya is more than a mere shop assistant. Played to perfection by Elizabeth Dulau, the character is actually a key component of the emerging rebellion, and Kleya’s steely gaze could pierce even Darth Vader’s black armor.

While at this point it is practically impossible to imagine anyone else in the role, it turns out Dulau was actually a last-minute replacement for the replacement to the original actor cast for the part. “We had two other actors who had come on and they both got bigger jobs so begged be released,” reveals Andor creator Tony Gilroy. “So we needed a Kleya, and Nina Gold [in casting] put up Elizabeth Dulau in front of us and said, 'She has no credit. She just graduated from RADA like 15 minutes ago. She's never done anything.'"

They brought in the freshly graduated Dulau, and, as Gilroy tells it, “Oh my Lord, just from the first minute!”

In fact, Gilroy notes that he and Skarsgård still can’t stop talking about his scene partner. “He's just in awe of her,” Gilroy says. “She never gave him an inch, not from the very first audition. I don't know how she has that kind of courage or that kind of spine. She came into the audition, and she was just a wall to him all the way through. Holy cow!”

According to the creator, there’s nothing Dulau can’t handle. “She's bulletproof. We do not have one bad minute of film on her anywhere. She's like a Meryl Streep, natural, mind-blowing actor. So you start to write into her as we go through season 1, and then more and more and more and more and more. She can do anything.”
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 5/5/25 at 11:51 am to
Syril dying would give him relief from his mom at least.
Posted by emanresu
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Posted on 5/5/25 at 12:34 pm to
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Kleya Marki steals every single scene she’s in

I have a feeling she will die as an unsung hero for the rebellion.
Posted by facher08
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Posted on 5/5/25 at 2:33 pm to
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I got a lot of France, especially with the fashion industry and citizenry. The architecture and weather
And the language. Weren’t they literally speaking French?

ETA: just looked it up. Not a real language modeled after French.


Don't forget about the berets.
This post was edited on 5/5/25 at 2:34 pm
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 5/5/25 at 2:41 pm to
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Along the same lines - what happens with Mon's husband? I'm guessing hes going to stumble onto her activities. Do they off him? Do they part ways amicably with him promising to be silent? Does he stick with her and is just a background contributor to the cause we never hear about?

I think it's gonna turn out Perrin was in on it with Mon all the time, or at least well aware of what she she is doing and helping out in his own way. I think their argument about his gambling in front of the eavesdropping chauffeur in season one was an act to explain her disappearing credits.
I don't think so.

His motivation in life is to enjoy himself. He has that currently. Protected upper class, peaceful homeworld not under duress, in the "in crowd" on Coruscant. Enough disposable income/wealth to gamble large sums, and the arranged marriage gives him some room to be a bit of a playboy. He does seem to be growing out of that, but it seems to be more of an "I'm getting older" thing, instead of him trying to change anything.
There doesn't seem to be any incentive (from his perspective) to change the system, as he's benefitting from it.

And I think the scene with the chauffeur carries much more meaning and power when it's Mon screwing her husband over for the cause, instead of them playacting together.
Hell, if he was in on it, there's no reason for her to use her banker. He's got the gambling debt connections, he could come up with a way to launder the money going to the Rebellion himself instead of what she ended up doing.
Posted by facher08
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Posted on 5/5/25 at 2:53 pm to
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They might not know for sure that it was Luthen. Presumably he would deny it and say someone else must have planted the bug. But Luthen still can’t afford that kind of scrutiny, regardless. His entire operation relies on the fact that nobody has any suspicions about him.


Unless I'm missing something, I thought the bug issue was a bit overblown. By the time of the party, it doesn't appear they've begun the authentication audit yet, and since Kleya and the curator seem to have a good relationship, it seems Kleya could exploit the curator's embarrassment by setting up an appointment to get the bug out under the guise of using her antiquities expertise in some fashion.
Posted by lostinbr
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Posted on 5/5/25 at 4:24 pm to
My interpretation was that because of the need to disassemble part of the piece to remove the bug, Kleya wasn’t going to be able to do it with others watching. So she would have either had to somehow get into the exhibit alone, or do it while others were there but distracted.

She chose the latter, presumably because of the tight timeline. I thought the scene was a bit silly (albeit entertaining) but I don’t think it’s some kind of big plot hole or anything.

To me the larger point of that whole sequence wasn’t the bug. It was the fact that Luthen and Kleya are operating on razor-thin margins. Their entire operation depends on the ability to hide in plain sight, and anything that draws the smallest amount of scrutiny could ruin that. I think that’s a major point the writers were trying to illustrate - that the entire house of cards could come crashing down at a moment’s notice.
Posted by Esquire
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Posted on 5/5/25 at 4:39 pm to
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Unless I'm missing something, I thought the bug issue was a bit overblown. By the time of the party, it doesn't appear they've begun the authentication audit yet, and since Kleya and the curator seem to have a good relationship, it seems Kleya could exploit the curator's embarrassment by setting up an appointment to get the bug out under the guise of using her antiquities expertise in some fashion.


When Kleya told Luthen about the bug she said they were shipping every piece of the collection for recertification the day after the party.
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