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re: Adding to the chaos... Here is why last nights ending made total sense in detail
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:50 pm to Bard
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:50 pm to Bard
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It would have been more fun, but it wouldn't have made sense. The Night King was there for Bran, not to fight a capable swordsman wielding a sword made of one of the two things that could kill him. Had he stopped to square off against Jon that would have been out of character.
True, I was actually surprised he wasted time dragon fighting with Jon and Dany
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:57 pm to Tiger1242
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Arya killing the Night King has basically been set up for us since the FIRST EPISODE when they showed her shooting the bow and arrow and refusing to do "girl stuff"
What?
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:58 pm to Tiger1242
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True, I was actually surprised he wasted time dragon fighting with Jon and Dany
I think maybe he was either trying to distract them or trying to take at least one of the two remaining dragons out (or both).
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that's kind of what Azor Ahai does, or at least he's the person who defeats the NK (whether in single combat or whatever)
I haven’t watched any previous seasons in a while, has AA and Nissa Nissa even been brought up in the show before?
If it hasn’t, then just toss it out because D&D aren’t bringing all that lore into the last 4 episodes. If it was brought up, then it has been strange that they ignore it.
Either way, I agree with OP.
There were only 2 outcomes, 1) they all die and show ends with The Long Night. Everybody would be mad at that too. 2) they kill the NK like they did.
Even if they fled Winterfell they can’t fight a fallback guerilla style warfare all the way back down south. The tactics of the Viet Cong hadn’t been invented yet.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:04 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Battle of the Bastards and the 7 north of the wall , he was a pretty good brawler but definitely not a tactician. Jorah had the best sword skills
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:17 pm to Frac the world
Right. I am pretty sure there has been no talk of AA on the show. Sorry folks, not in the TV story.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:So says the story. I haven't read the books, but this is basically recounted legend, correct?
and did people actually expect Jon or someone else to BEAT THE NIGHT KING in a sword fight?
that's kind of what Azor Ahai does, or at least he's the person who defeats the NK (whether in single combat or whatever)
Kind of like the legend of Ned Stark beating Arthur Dayne.
And Bran goes and watches that, and learns "hey, this isn't what we all have been told"
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:23 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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On dozens of occasions. He consistently kills dozens and dozens of foes in each battle the show has had. He killed a walker in one on one combat. He's so well known for battle that things like this
Considering how arrogant that Walker was when he was fighting wildlings I to have to believe he had no idea Jon was wielding a sword made from valyrian steel. He seemed to be toying with Jon rather than fighting for his life.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I'm thinking that the AA prophesy is just one of many, and that AA proponents like Melisandre had a long track record of being disastrously wrong about who and what he/it even is.
that's kind of what Azor Ahai does, or at least he's the person who defeats the NK (whether in single combat or whatever)
There's absolutely nothing "princely" about Arya. She's clearly not the trainee lesbian that she was made to look like so I don't think it's going to be some SJW bullshite about who gets to be called a "prince." I'll quit watching if they do that stupid shite. So I just don't think they'll try ti shoehorn her into the AA role.
The one thing I did think was stupid was Arya, a trained, catlike assassin, chose her moment and jumped at the NK, screaming her head off like an idiot. I thought she was going to be hiding in Bran's cloak, behind him or something like that. Maybe she intended for the KN to think he'd stopped her. Who knows?
Anyway, we don't have Mel or even Beric to explain it to us anymore. Maybe The Hound knows something about it.
This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:31 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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He saw the ending. Everything that has happened led up to the people being exactly where they were. He said that numerous times......
I thought he only saw the past and present?
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that's kind of what Azor Ahai does, or at least he's the person who defeats the NK (whether in single combat or whatever)
So... you're saying it's completely possible the NK was originally defeated by somebody who was able to sneak up on him?
The AA legend doesn't go into a lot of detail and its been made pretty clear in this show that just b/c people in Westeros accept a version of recent history, legends, or prophecy as its told to them (Tower of Joy, creation of White Walkers, Melisandre misinterpreting her visions) doesn't actually mean the details are correct.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:39 pm to SabiDojo
quote:What's so hard to grasp about that?quote:
Arya killing the Night King has basically been set up for us since the FIRST EPISODE when they showed her shooting the bow and arrow and refusing to do "girl stuff"
What?
Sansa was the "girly girl", Arya has always been the tomboy who dreamt of glory in combat.
She was the better archer between her and Bran. Jon had Needle made for her, she trained with Serio Foyel. She fought alongside the Hound a couple times instead of turning on him. She went to the Faceless Men willingly and trained to be an assassin. She spent the bulk of the series killing enemies of the Starks, she avenged her family on the Freys. She told Sansa straight up that she didn't ever want to be a princess, she wanted to be a warrior.
The list goes on and on, Arya was lined up to be a righteous killer.
That alone doesn't single her out to be THE ONE to kill the Night King, but it does place her in the list. And since she's one of the characters that were followed in detail every step of her journey (along with Jon, Dany, Sansa, Bran, Theon, and the Lannister siblings), she certainly was on the A-list.
I'm not worrying about 'girl power', but honestly- if the genders were reversed, if Arya was a boy and Bran a girl, would anyone bitch about this ending? Youngest Stark (who's become an amazingly proficient killer over the course of the series) is the one who saves the House, the North, and Westeros?
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:46 pm to Scoob
It’s fine that she’s a super badass killer but to say we should have known she would be the one to kill the Night King just bc she didn’t play with dolls is dumb af
This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:51 pm to blueboy
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So I just don't think they'll try ti shoehorn her into the AA role.
i think D/D are going to run as far away from that as they can and just say "well prophecies often aren't true" as they discuss Cleganebowl
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:53 pm to Tiger1242
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climb that tree and hide unnoticed
She wasn't in a tree
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:54 pm to TxTiger82
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What I don't like, though, is that the NK was supposed to be a little bit more formidable than that. I mean, they spent 7 seasons building him up as THE bad guy, and he goes down in the first battle. I was a little disappointed by that. Wish the NK was the "final boss" and not Cersei.
The name of the TV show* is Game of Thrones, not Zombies and Dragons. Of course the ending was always going to ultimately be about the iron throne.
*I know that's just the name of the first book, not the whole book series, but we're talking about the TV show here.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:56 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:Seriously?
When has John shown this prowess in battle
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
Their explanation after the show was pretty stupid. “We felt like Jon couldn’t do everything so (it’s her time).” Oh, I’m sorry you built up Jon to the fulfillment of a prophecy and the rightful heir to the freaking throne. It’s too much to ask that he be a pretty big deal in the biggest battle in over a thousand years.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:59 pm to LSUBoo
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The name of the TV show* is Game of Thrones, not Zombies and Dragons
and it's based off a book series named "A Song of Ice and Fire", aka, Zombies and Dragons
Posted on 4/29/19 at 2:00 pm to SabiDojo
yeah Arya is 100% D/D trying to do "shock" b/c it's a GOT meme (that they've shite on for 3-4 years)
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