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Adding to the chaos... Here is why last nights ending made total sense in detail
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:15 pm
SPOILERS for Game of Thrones below!!!!
I've been reading a lot of opinions (on here and other places) about how Arya flying in to kill the Night King was either
A. Unrealistic
B. Lame and out of left field
C. Doesn't fit the story the show has been building and was just placating what "fans want"
I don't understand these opinions? Let's address them
A. Unrealistic
Ignoring the fact that the show has all kinds of unrealistic moments, people fighting off dozens of enemies alone, being saved at the last second, etc... That was pretty much the only way to kill the Night King and was THE WHOLE PLAN.
Bran was supposed to be bait to lure the Night King out in the open, and when he was vulnerable they were going to stab him with dragon glass/Valaryian Steel, which is EXACTLY what happened. Sure it was a different person than they had planned but so what, it's not unrealistic for Arya to know where the Night King would be and is certainly in her character to head there to help out
B. Lame and out of left field
Going off of the last point, this was pretty much the only way to kill him. I mean they just showed us that you can't burn him with dragon fire, and did people actually expect Jon or someone else to BEAT THE NIGHT KING in a sword fight? The luckiest thing that happened to Jon was the Night King bitching out and raising the dead soldiers to fight Jon, the dude KILLED A DRAGON, he absolutely would murder anyone in the seven kingdoms in a 1 on 1 fight.
The only plausible way to kill him was either to sneak up on him like Arya did, or for Bran to Warg into him and kill himself or warg into something that could crush him, or some craziness like that.
Since they went with the sneak up on him, Arya was the PERFECT choice, which we will get to now
C. Doesn't fit the story the show has been building and was just placating what "fans want"
Arya killing the Night King has basically been set up for us since the FIRST EPISODE when they showed her shooting the bow and arrow and refusing to do "girl stuff" looking back I think we should all feel silly for not figuring it out sooner.
- She is a trained secret assassin
- She is an expert at stealth
- She has already proven her ability to deceive "stronger fighters" and best them
- She literally lives only to kill important people
- She is small, light enough to climb that tree and hide unnoticed
The show has been grooming her for this moment pretty much the whole time, plus that was her brother she was protecting as well.
Most of the other "candidates" for killing the Night King (Jon, Brienne, Dany, Jaime etc...) have about as much stealth as that undead giant Lady Mormont killed. IF one of them had snuck up on him, then it would silly. They would have tried the Theon suicide charge and it would have pretty much gone the same way for them
Sure it's kind of lame the Night King is gone and the threat of "Winter" that has been building the whole show is just over now, but the only two possibilities were
A. The dead army wins and kills everybody
B. The living pull off some miracle like this and win
There was no way for the living to lose this battle and not all die.
- Those undead soldiers weren't going to just leave survivors hanging around
- The only way to outrun them would've been on a dragon, so sure maybe Jon and Dany could've lived to fight another day but that's it.
It would have been even less believable if the living would have beat the dead in a straight up battle, they were never winning that without a miracle like this, and no chance anyone can beat the Night King 1 on 1
I think everyone is just upset that the Night King died so "easily", but I think this was the most plausible way for it to happen
I've been reading a lot of opinions (on here and other places) about how Arya flying in to kill the Night King was either
A. Unrealistic
B. Lame and out of left field
C. Doesn't fit the story the show has been building and was just placating what "fans want"
I don't understand these opinions? Let's address them
A. Unrealistic
Ignoring the fact that the show has all kinds of unrealistic moments, people fighting off dozens of enemies alone, being saved at the last second, etc... That was pretty much the only way to kill the Night King and was THE WHOLE PLAN.
Bran was supposed to be bait to lure the Night King out in the open, and when he was vulnerable they were going to stab him with dragon glass/Valaryian Steel, which is EXACTLY what happened. Sure it was a different person than they had planned but so what, it's not unrealistic for Arya to know where the Night King would be and is certainly in her character to head there to help out
B. Lame and out of left field
Going off of the last point, this was pretty much the only way to kill him. I mean they just showed us that you can't burn him with dragon fire, and did people actually expect Jon or someone else to BEAT THE NIGHT KING in a sword fight? The luckiest thing that happened to Jon was the Night King bitching out and raising the dead soldiers to fight Jon, the dude KILLED A DRAGON, he absolutely would murder anyone in the seven kingdoms in a 1 on 1 fight.
The only plausible way to kill him was either to sneak up on him like Arya did, or for Bran to Warg into him and kill himself or warg into something that could crush him, or some craziness like that.
Since they went with the sneak up on him, Arya was the PERFECT choice, which we will get to now
C. Doesn't fit the story the show has been building and was just placating what "fans want"
Arya killing the Night King has basically been set up for us since the FIRST EPISODE when they showed her shooting the bow and arrow and refusing to do "girl stuff" looking back I think we should all feel silly for not figuring it out sooner.
- She is a trained secret assassin
- She is an expert at stealth
- She has already proven her ability to deceive "stronger fighters" and best them
- She literally lives only to kill important people
- She is small, light enough to climb that tree and hide unnoticed
The show has been grooming her for this moment pretty much the whole time, plus that was her brother she was protecting as well.
Most of the other "candidates" for killing the Night King (Jon, Brienne, Dany, Jaime etc...) have about as much stealth as that undead giant Lady Mormont killed. IF one of them had snuck up on him, then it would silly. They would have tried the Theon suicide charge and it would have pretty much gone the same way for them
Sure it's kind of lame the Night King is gone and the threat of "Winter" that has been building the whole show is just over now, but the only two possibilities were
A. The dead army wins and kills everybody
B. The living pull off some miracle like this and win
There was no way for the living to lose this battle and not all die.
- Those undead soldiers weren't going to just leave survivors hanging around
- The only way to outrun them would've been on a dragon, so sure maybe Jon and Dany could've lived to fight another day but that's it.
It would have been even less believable if the living would have beat the dead in a straight up battle, they were never winning that without a miracle like this, and no chance anyone can beat the Night King 1 on 1
I think everyone is just upset that the Night King died so "easily", but I think this was the most plausible way for it to happen
This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 12:36 pm
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Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:18 pm to Tiger1242
quote:
and did people actually expect Jon or someone else to BEAT THE NIGHT KING in a sword fight?
that's kind of what Azor Ahai does, or at least he's the person who defeats the NK (whether in single combat or whatever)
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
I was hoping that Bran's warging abilities would have added... something... to the entire battle.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:20 pm to Tiger1242
quote:
I think everyone is just upset that the Night King died so "easily", but I think this was the most plausible way for it to happen
It was literally the only way for him to go out. People are just pissed that john isn't the savior, or the Jaimie isn't Azor Ahai, etc.... As they predicted.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:21 pm to Damone
naw brah he flew those crows
even said good bye before
even said good bye before
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
that's kind of what Azor Ahai does, or at least he's the person who defeats the NK (whether in single combat or whatever)
When has John shown this prowess in battle, either personal combat or as a tactician?
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
naw brah he flew those crows even said good bye before
He saw the ending. Everything that has happened led up to the people being exactly where they were. He said that numerous times......
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:24 pm to Tiger1242
I honestly think in a head-to-head fight, Jon beats the Night King. Bringing the dead to life to keep Jon away from him was tactically smart, but my god what a pussy move.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
that's kind of what Azor Ahai does, or at least he's the person who defeats the NK (whether in single combat or whatever)
All the prophecy says is that Azor Ahai kills the Night King, didn’t say they had to beat him in a 1 on 1 duel
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:29 pm to SemiNoblePursuit
quote:
I honestly think in a head-to-head fight, Jon beats the Night King.
I disagree strongly
quote:
Bringing the dead to life to keep Jon away from him was tactically smart, but my god what a pussy move.
This I agree with
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:31 pm to Tiger1242
quote:
when he was vulnerable they were going to stab him with dragon glass, which is EXACTLY what happened.
He was stabbed with V steel
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:32 pm to Tiger1242
Jon and Arya should have tagged team him with Arya still getting the final blow. Jon, Theon, and Arya as the final buffer between the NK and Bran would have made for a nice ending.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:32 pm to SemiNoblePursuit
One slice from Jon’s sword and the NK is dead. He’d have to be perfect in battle, not just good.
It would have been better if he and Jon had some fight. Maybe the NK pushing Jon on the defense, then Jon pushing back before a deadhead jumps on him. Then the NK raises the dead while Jon fights two or three zombies.
I would have liked for some threat to remain too. What’s with the wall now? Is this it? Why did it take so long for the NK to attack? Why did he turn on the children of the forest?
It would have been better if he and Jon had some fight. Maybe the NK pushing Jon on the defense, then Jon pushing back before a deadhead jumps on him. Then the NK raises the dead while Jon fights two or three zombies.
I would have liked for some threat to remain too. What’s with the wall now? Is this it? Why did it take so long for the NK to attack? Why did he turn on the children of the forest?
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:34 pm to Tiger1242
I'm fine with Arya killing the NK. I thought the scene was awesome, and I was literally shouting at my screen when it happened.
What I don't like, though, is that the NK was supposed to be a little bit more formidable than that. I mean, they spent 7 seasons building him up as THE bad guy, and he goes down in the first battle. I was a little disappointed by that. Wish the NK was the "final boss" and not Cersei.
What I don't like, though, is that the NK was supposed to be a little bit more formidable than that. I mean, they spent 7 seasons building him up as THE bad guy, and he goes down in the first battle. I was a little disappointed by that. Wish the NK was the "final boss" and not Cersei.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:34 pm to weagle99
quote:
He was stabbed with V steel
You're right, my bad
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:35 pm to Suntiger
quote:
One slice from Jon’s sword and the NK is dead.
Yes and NK knew it which is why he wouldn’t engage.
Remember he saw Jon dust a WW at Hardhomme.
This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:37 pm to TxTiger82
quote:I think that is a fair criticism
What I don't like, though, is that the NK was supposed to be a little bit more formidable than that. I mean, they spent 7 seasons building him up as THE bad guy, and he goes down in the first battle. I was a little disappointed by that. Wish the NK was the "final boss" and not Cersei.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:45 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:
When has John shown this prowess in battle, either personal combat or as a tactician?
On dozens of occasions. He consistently kills dozens and dozens of foes in each battle the show has had. He killed a walker in one on one combat. He's so well known for battle that things like this
"I hear you're the greatest swordsman in westeros"
Are constantly being said
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:46 pm to Suntiger
quote:
It would have been better if he and Jon had some fight. Maybe the NK pushing Jon on the defense, then Jon pushing back before a deadhead jumps on him. Then the NK raises the dead while Jon fights two or three zombies.
It would have been more fun, but it wouldn't have made sense. The Night King was there for Bran, not to fight a capable swordsman wielding a sword made of one of the two things that could kill him. Had he stopped to square off against Jon that would have been out of character.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:49 pm to SemiNoblePursuit
quote:The Night King avoided one on ones for the entire series. Once he saw his WW goon get turned into Sonic ice in Hardhomme, he noped the frick out of any and all contact from there. Turns out, everyone's favorite villain was a giant pussy.
I honestly think in a head-to-head fight, Jon beats the Night King. Bringing the dead to life to keep Jon away from him was tactically smart, but my god what a pussy move.
The more I'm reading on here, the more I'm liking how it played out.
Come at me bros
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