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re: The Rose Bowl is dead. Humanity will soon follow
Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:39 am to PeteRose
Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:39 am to PeteRose
quote:A playoff game doesn't necessarily tell us who the better team is. It just tells us who the better team is on that particular day.
The reason we had a couple of shared national championships is because of the rose bowl. Instead of finding out who the better team is, we get to argue about. Thanks rose bowl.
A 12- or 13-game game body of work over the course of an entire season, is a much better gauge on who is the better team for that season. That team should be crowned the champion for that (entire) season, not the team that gets hot at the right time. Talk about your mythical national champions.
ETA: I might be talked into having a national tournament the same way conferences have basketball and baseball post-season tournaments.
Crown a national champion, then have a tournament and crown the post-season tournament champion.
That would at least salvage some of the history of the sport and what made it the best game ever.
In fact, college football may have to soon resort to something like this to keep top players from opting out midway through the season when their team is eliminated from playoff contention.
This post was edited on 12/23/22 at 8:54 am
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:46 am to TX Tiger
quote:
A 12- or 13-game game body of work over the course of an entire season, is a much better gauge on who is the better team for that season. That team should be crowned the champion for that (entire) season, not the team that gets hot at the right time. Talk about your mythical national champions.
Wait your saying it’s more legitimate to let’s teams play 12-13 games, not play each other, and then decide by some defined metric other than score is a more objective way to define which team is better than putting them on the field and actually letting them play?
Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:49 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Utah-Penn State
There probably isn't a single person on this board who was born with these teams in their current conferences. Isn't really all that traditional
Posted on 12/23/22 at 8:52 am to Bama Bird
It's not even traditional since the B10 champ isn't playing.
Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:18 am to Oilfieldbiology
quote:There have been instances where the teams have already played: Alabama-Georgia, Alabama-LSU.
A 12- or 13-game game body of work over the course of an entire season, is a much better gauge on who is the better team for that season. That team should be crowned the champion for that (entire) season, not the team that gets hot at the right time. Talk about your mythical national champions.
Wait your saying it’s more legitimate to let’s teams play 12-13 games, not play each other,
Plus, over the course of a 12-13 game schedule, a team will face top-notch competition, sometimes, in the case of SEC teams, it will be week in and week out.
That's the point, over a 12 or 13-game schedule you have proven over the course of an entire season, which is the best team. If you aren't doing enough to boost your rating, you must beef up your schedule so that you can be recognized as one of the top teams.
But playing an entire season and then deciding a champion based on one or two games seems silly. It wouldn't, and for 100 years, wasn't even a consideration until the greedy figured out how to squeeze big money out of it.
You do realize that this is about money, not crowning a champion, right?
quote:How do you think they decide on which teams play in the tournament?
and then decide by some defined metric other than score is a more objective way to define which team is better
This post was edited on 12/23/22 at 9:23 am
Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:36 am to The Third Leg
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I’ve been to a bunch of bowls, including 3 of the 5 current major bowls, and this is just absolute nonsense. The Rose Bowl is the best bowl scene there is. It isn’t close. Pasadena is beautiful, the weather is perfect, and the pageantry of the Rose Bowl is completely unmatched. While every other bowl traded in their history for sterile pro stadia and corporate influence to play in prime time, the Rose Bowl stayed the course and honored tradition as an American cultural icon. Anyone who has been fortunate enough to attend one understands why it is so highly regarded.
All of this. I’ve been 3 times, all heart wrenching losses, but it’s an amazing trip.
Also, I thought it said they’d only be in the playoff schedule every 3 years, normal time and matchup the other two, so why the melodrama?
Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:41 am to TigerintheNO
I don't think I like the Rose Bowl...from personal experience
Very beautiful scenery and pagentry though, but I did leave sad so... mixed feelings
Very beautiful scenery and pagentry though, but I did leave sad so... mixed feelings
This post was edited on 12/23/22 at 9:43 am
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Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:42 am to TigerintheNO
imagine caring. I can’t.
Posted on 12/23/22 at 9:54 am to TX Tiger
quote:
TX Tiger
Oh look. You're an idiot on this board too.
Posted on 12/23/22 at 10:10 am to TigerintheNO
I don’t disagree with him about the “win it all our you suck” mentality has ruined sports and is lazy and stupid
Posted on 12/23/22 at 10:34 am to TigerintheNO
It’s a waste of perfectly good flowers.
Posted on 12/23/22 at 10:38 am to TigerintheNO
we can always replace the Rose Bowl with Las Vegas for the playoffs
Posted on 12/23/22 at 10:44 am to TexasTiger08
I miss the days when you had the 4 major bowls and the Rose with big 10/pac 10, Sugar with SEC v. Open, Cotton with SWC v. open and Orange with Big 8 v. open.
They system was good in that if an ACC or independent had a good year or chance for national championship they would play in the Sugar, Orange or Cotton.
The idea that people were robbed by the Rose Bowl is foolish Everyone knew going in it was a mythical national championship voted by coaches and sportswriters and a split national championship was not some tragedy or grave injustice.
They system was good in that if an ACC or independent had a good year or chance for national championship they would play in the Sugar, Orange or Cotton.
The idea that people were robbed by the Rose Bowl is foolish Everyone knew going in it was a mythical national championship voted by coaches and sportswriters and a split national championship was not some tragedy or grave injustice.
Posted on 12/23/22 at 12:50 pm to TigerintheNO
The rose bowl was a legend in its own mind. Nobody gives a frick about the specific time or day they play except the morons running it.
Posted on 12/23/22 at 12:54 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
TX Tiger
Posted on 12/23/22 at 12:56 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Good. frick em
And people wonder why college football is becoming a crappy semi pro league year after year
Posted on 12/23/22 at 1:12 pm to jlovel7
Yeah, I long for the days of having colleges pay off newspaper editors for votes and all the intimidation tactics that were used. That entire corrupt system of “crowning” national champions is 100 times more corrupt than what we are seeing with NIL and poaching. The previous system and bowls were all a ponzi scheme for the suckers.
Posted on 12/23/22 at 1:26 pm to GoldenGuy
quote:
Rose Bowl propagated the false narrative that the Pac 10 was a dominant conference
The false narrative was that the PAC 10 was a “Major” conference
Since USC in the mid 00s they haven’t had much success. Half the time the best team out West isn’t even a PAC 12 team
This post was edited on 12/23/22 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 12/23/22 at 2:24 pm to msudawg1200
quote:
The Rose Bowl in the 80's was some bad matchups. A lot of 8-3 and teams ranked in the teens
Unfortunately, today’s landscape dictates that someone must be top 5 for it to be a good matchup. It didn’t matter if they were in the teens. It matched conference champ against conference champ.
LSU won the West with a 9-3 record. It didn’t matter to most fans that they had 3 losses. All that mattered was a chance to play in Atlanta.
Posted on 12/23/22 at 2:40 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
A playoff game doesn't necessarily tell us who the better team is. It just tells us who the better team is on that particular day. A 12- or 13-game game body of work over the course of an entire season, is a much better gauge on who is the better team for that season. That team should be crowned the champion for that (entire) season, not the team that gets hot at the right time. Talk about your mythical national champions. ETA: I might be talked into having a national tournament the same way conferences have basketball and baseball post-season tournaments. Crown a national champion, then have a tournament and crown the post-season tournament champion. That would at least salvage some of the history of the sport and what made it the best game ever. In fact, college football may have to soon resort to something like this to keep top players from opting out midway through the season when their team is eliminated from playoff contention.
You won’t get through to a lot of folks, but there is a good amount of truth in your words.
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