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re: The ACC is about crumble

Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:24 pm to
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:24 pm to
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the SEC added Texas.


Texas is the biggest program there is
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
12218 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:33 pm to
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Tulane to ACC.
When the ACC becomes the ACC2 like the PAC2.
Posted by GoldenGuy
Member since Oct 2015
10821 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:00 pm to
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2PAC


FIFY
Posted by NEOJoe
Member since Dec 2021
602 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:10 pm to
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How many fans are like me in that they're utterly disgusted with what has happened to college football?

The problem with cfb is that it turned into an arms race where every school and conference has had to look out for #1. It’s been a ruderless ship with no central authority, governing body, or commissioner to put any limits on this. The lid has been totally blown off at this point. It’s like watching an addict self-destruct. Should have been stopped a long time ago but we are years past the point of no return.
Posted by Fat Harry
70115
Member since Mar 2005
2211 posts
Posted on 2/21/24 at 7:35 am to
The Big East started this BS when they raided the original CUSA back in 2005 with Cincinnati, USF and Louisville. Need a time machine.

ETA: That was actually a solid conference with those three + Tulane, TCU, Memphis, Houston.
This post was edited on 2/21/24 at 7:39 am
Posted by tketaco
Sunnyside, Houston
Member since Jan 2010
19341 posts
Posted on 2/21/24 at 7:37 am to
There just needs to be a SEC Football 2000-2020 Video Game at this point.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
94511 posts
Posted on 2/21/24 at 7:44 am to
Those three were not what they became at the time of the BE expansion.

Things really picked up a few years later when the ACC grabbed Miami, Virginia Tech, and BC, as Miami had won a title in the past decade and VT had been in the title game.
Posted by Tiger Live2
Westwego, LA
Member since Mar 2012
9590 posts
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:02 am to
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The Big East started this BS when they raided the original CUSA back in 2005 with Cincinnati, USF and Louisville. Need a time machine.

Wasn't that because the ACC raided the Big East? Which they didn't even want VA Tech, but Tech used politics to force themselves in.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:24 am to
The problem really was the Big East wasn't a sustainable model. Having basketball only schools and football schools couldn't last because of revenue disparities.
Posted by Tiger Live2
Westwego, LA
Member since Mar 2012
9590 posts
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:29 am to
They should of stayed basketball only
Posted by VinegarStrokes
Georgia
Member since Oct 2015
13269 posts
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:31 am to
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The problem with cfb is that it turned into an arms race where every school and conference has had to look out for #1. It’s been a ruderless ship with no central authority, governing body, or commissioner to put any limits on this. The lid has been totally blown off at this point. It’s like watching an addict self-destruct. Should have been stopped a long time ago but we are years past the point of no return.


this is how I feel, and because of this arms race bullshite it has diminished the other sports as well.

If we had a time machine and could go back to the late 90s, at the start of the BCS period, I would divide FBS/Division 1-A into 2 more subdivisions of 60-64 teams for football only. That would have been the 6 main conferences plus Notre Dame and 1 other. The 6 conferenes totaled 62 teams if I counted correctly.

Conferences (for football only) would go away and the entire group of 64 would have a TV deal with equal revenue distributed. Segment the 64 in whatever way you want and create a playoff system that has specific qualifications similar to the NFL and other sports leagues. Profit.

The conferences as set up in the late 90s would operate as is and the product wouldn't be near as watered down as it currently is. You'd still have the 12 team SEC and Big XII. The 11 team Big Ten. The 9 team ACC where you had a full home and away round robin against every team with incredible rivalries and matchups.

Posted by BreakawayZou83
Kansas City, Missouri
Member since Oct 2011
9425 posts
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:20 am to
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The problem with cfb is that it turned into an arms race where every school and conference has had to look out for #1. It’s been a ruderless ship with no central authority, governing body, or commissioner to put any limits on this. The lid has been totally blown off at this point. It’s like watching an addict self-destruct. Should have been stopped a long time ago but we are years past the point of no return.


this is how I feel, and because of this arms race bullshite it has diminished the other sports as well.

If we had a time machine and could go back to the late 90s, at the start of the BCS period, I would divide FBS/Division 1-A into 2 more subdivisions of 60-64 teams for football only. That would have been the 6 main conferences plus Notre Dame and 1 other. The 6 conferenes totaled 62 teams if I counted correctly.

Conferences (for football only) would go away and the entire group of 64 would have a TV deal with equal revenue distributed. Segment the 64 in whatever way you want and create a playoff system that has specific qualifications similar to the NFL and other sports leagues. Profit.

The conferences as set up in the late 90s would operate as is and the product wouldn't be near as watered down as it currently is. You'd still have the 12 team SEC and Big XII. The 11 team Big Ten. The 9 team ACC where you had a full home and away round robin against every team with incredible rivalries and matchups.

Y'all like to pine for the 90s, but it has always been a mostly rudderless, fend for yourself environment. Sure, conferences were more regional back then, but conferences like the SWC and Big Eight/12 had unequal revenue sharing, hawking tv rights by individual schools, Texas setting up a national tv network at the expense of a conference network, etc. So to me, all we've done is changed it from a system where there were little lords over smaller, regional fiefdoms to congregating all the big dogs in two conferences, but within those frameworks it is much more equitable.

College football has never been and will never be perfect in this regard. It will continue to evolve (or devolve) over the years. In fact, the cores of the B1G and the SEC are just about the only conferences that have largely stayed in tact from the dawn of football to present. Technically, this is true for the Ivy League as well, but they long ago decided they came to play school and bowed out of this circus.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30867 posts
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:24 am to
quote:

this is how I feel, and because of this arms race bullshite it has diminished the other sports as well.

If we had a time machine and could go back to the late 90s, at the start of the BCS period, I would divide FBS/Division 1-A into 2 more subdivisions of 60-64 teams for football only. That would have been the 6 main conferences plus Notre Dame and 1 other. The 6 conferenes totaled 62 teams if I counted correctly.

Conferences (for football only) would go away and the entire group of 64 would have a TV deal with equal revenue distributed. Segment the 64 in whatever way you want and create a playoff system that has specific qualifications similar to the NFL and other sports leagues. Profit.

The conferences as set up in the late 90s would operate as is and the product wouldn't be near as watered down as it currently is. You'd still have the 12 team SEC and Big XII. The 11 team Big Ten. The 9 team ACC where you had a full home and away round robin against every team with incredible rivalries and matchups.






ok and you would still have the same issues. The big ten and the sec would still be making way more money than all the other conferences. in that setup, especially the SEC....so would still have teams looking to move conferences so you didnt solve anything
Posted by hiltacular
NYC
Member since Jan 2011
19663 posts
Posted on 2/21/24 at 11:22 am to
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ok and you would still have the same issues. The big ten and the sec would still be making way more money than all the other conferences. in that setup, especially the SEC....so would still have teams looking to move conferences so you didnt solve anything



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Conferences (for football only) would go away and the entire group of 64 would have a TV deal with equal revenue distributed.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 2/22/24 at 4:14 pm to
They would have lost Syracuse and Pitt and they were trying so hard to keep them. They added Miami, Va. Tech, Rutgers and West Virginia in the 80s and 90s to satisfy the original members that played football
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36097 posts
Posted on 2/22/24 at 7:24 pm to
Neither the SEC nor the Big 10 can add any more teams and retain any semblance of the original conferences that have historical value.

This is like watching two fat kids overeat too many desserts. It won't last and the aftermath won't be easy to clean up
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
84762 posts
Posted on 2/22/24 at 7:41 pm to
They will just be like the NFC and AFC and have geographic divisions
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6207 posts
Posted on 2/22/24 at 7:42 pm to
It is about to be the Big 10 and SEC - everyone else will be fighting for scraps.

Power 2 - Big 10 & SEC

Group of 7 - CUSA, MAC, MWC, AAC, SBC, Big12, leftover ACC

Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47384 posts
Posted on 2/22/24 at 8:44 pm to
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Group of 7 - CUSA, MAC, MWC, AAC, SBC, Big12, leftover ACC


Big XII and ACC will be its own tier

Then AAC and MWC will be its own tier
This post was edited on 2/22/24 at 8:45 pm
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6207 posts
Posted on 2/22/24 at 9:37 pm to
Any program not in the Big10 or SEC will be equivalent with each other and irrelevant on the national stage when it comes to major broadcast rights and major dollars.

SMU being in the ACC will be no better than Fresno in the MWC.
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