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re: T or F: Babe Ruth Hit longest dinger in MLB history (575 ft)
Posted on 3/21/20 at 8:41 am to Nobelium
Posted on 3/21/20 at 8:41 am to Nobelium
quote:Yeah, the fact that guys were roided up made no difference...
Also, I think strength and conditioning has had less of an effect on baseball than it has on say football or basketball. I mean think about it, what muscles are used swinging a bat? The forearms, the core, the glutes, and probably a few others. But not the big ones that are responsible for the freak athletes of today like the quads, hamstrings, back, and chest. I honestly don't think that modern training methods produce drastically stronger forearms and midsections than just constantly playing baseball, which is what the old guys did.

Posted on 3/21/20 at 9:30 am to Tangineck
quote:
Just simple physics. The Babe was obviously a much better baseball player than the any of the players I listed, but that doesn't change the fact that 575 feet is an impossible distance to hit a baseball. A league full of juiced players would have needed an extra 50 feet or 10% to duplicate it. Think about that.
I’m still waiting for the simple physics, because your argument was one born from statistics not from physics.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 9:31 am to List Eater
quote:
I saw McGwire hit one to the top of the colored section in the Astrodome with my own eyes
Jackie Robinson parked one 515 feet into the Italian section at Ebbets field once.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 9:50 am to FightinTigersDammit
quote:
80 mph fastballs.
I have no idea why this shite keeps getting repeated.
Fine...80mph humdinger speedballs
Posted on 3/21/20 at 9:55 am to Ross
quote:
I’m still waiting for the simple physics
And I'm waiting on proof that a human can hit a baseball 575 feet. Tales from 100 years ago aren't proof.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:02 am to Ross
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:06 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:
False. Old time sports claims a bunch of ridiculous feats. And nobody could call them out on it because they had no way to accurately measure.
Babe Ruth threw a no-hitter without throwing a single strike, June 23rd 1917 vs the Washington Senators.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:47 am to BBATiger
quote:
I don’t trust the whole projected distance theory. Example is the Canseco HR below. I’m not saying it’s the longest, but how do we truly know how far it would have gone.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:02 am to PrimeTime Money
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This post was edited on 4/23/21 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:07 am to 3morereps
No chance in hell that happened
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:08 am to Nobelium
quote:
Bob Feller and Nolan Ryan threw 100 naturally, so clearly juiced up pitchers should be hitting 115+. Right?
Oh, wait, 99% of pitchers today still top out at 100 despite being juiced up. Almost as if there's a limit to how fast human tendons and ligaments can swing a bat or throw a baseball and steroids just allow you to do it more consistently, not actually blow past that limit.
Throwing a ball is much different from hitting a ball.
Throwing is based on other factors besides pure strength. Beanpoles like Chris Sale can throw around 100.
Hitting is much more based on pure strength. Which is why steroids help players hit the ball further.
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 11:10 am
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:23 am to Nobelium
quote:
Oh, wait, 99% of pitchers today still top out at 100 despite being juiced up. Almost as if there's a limit to how fast human tendons and ligaments can swing a bat or throw a baseball
Oh right, roids had nothing to do with 70 home run seasons lol.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:11 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
He was not hitting anyone over or bunting
1. he was at denver in minors when he was a phenom.
i was already a fan.
the yankees were on tv a lot.
2. he was very fast. he did in fact sometimes bunt to get on base, when up left handed.
3. and when he hit away he swung for the fences. right handed he usually hit for the fences. his big power was right handed.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 1:41 pm to Tangineck
I might be termed an "old geezer", but I have had the opportunity to watch baseball since 1951. I can honestly confirm that NO ONE hit baseballs as far as Mantle did or as often as he did. Just unbelievably strong, unmatched bat speed, and quickness.
What you may not know is that Mickey was also the fastest from home to first base than anyone. He could fly on the diamond, really unmatched until injuries took its toll on him. He was also one of the greatest drag bunters ever. When Mantle hit a slump, he'd just bunt his way to first base to keep his average up.
I never got to see the Babe, but my grandfather and great uncles did. He was just a freak of an athlete who could do it all, hitting home runs and pitching, before he put on weight over the years by breaking all kinds of gastronomic performances.
When Old Timers were asked who hit that ball further, Ruth or Mantle, one great Hall of Famer who played against the Babe and watched all of Mantle's games, pitcher Walter Johnson, had this to say about that controversy.
"Mickey hit more long home runs than anyone. But Ruth's ball got smaller quicker after he hit it than anyone I have ever seen."
An interesting thing about Walter "the Big Train" Johnson, who was the fastest pitcher of Ruth's era, came from fellow Hall of Famer Bob "Rapid Robert" Feller, who also threw as fast as anyone in the 1940s and 50s and watched all of the modern day hurlers like Koufax, Ryan, Gibson, etc., said that NO One threw as fast as Walter Johnson. He (Feller) saw Johnson pitch many, many times, too as a young man.
Incidentally, Ruth held the record for the most consecutive scoreless innings pitched in World Series play until Whitey Ford passed him in the 1960s. Ruth also held the pitching edge over Walter Johnson, beating him with regularity before playing just the outfield in the 1920s. Ruth, as a Boston Red Sock from 1915-1919, matched up with Johnson 9 times. Ruth won six games and lost three, pitching complete games. Three of those wins were by 1-0 scores.
In Babe Ruth's 1916 season as a pitcher, his record was 23 Wins and 170 Strikeouts, with a 1.75 ERA, 9 Shutouts and 23 Complete Games – a very impressive mark for even the best pitchers in baseball.
You could make the argument had Ruth pitched his entire career, he might be considered the best lefty ever. As it is, he is widely considered by many observers to be one of the ten best lefties ever to take the mound.
In the 1916 World Series between the Red Sox and Brooklyn Robins (eventually Dodgers), Ruth took on Sherry Smith in what would become one of the biggest pitching match-ups in history. The game was tied 1-1 through 14 innings until the Red Sox finally scored and won the game. Both Ruth and Sherry Smith pitched the entire game, which is still the longest World Series game ever played.
In the 1918 World Series, Babe Ruth pitched 29 1/3 scoreless innings, a mark that stood until 1961 when Whitey Ford finally broke it. It wasn’t until 1919 that Babe began his transition into a hitter, with 17 games pitching and 130 games hitting that year. In the four and a half seasons that Babe devoted to pitching, he amassed the following statistics:
ERA – Earned Run Average (2.28 career):
#1 in ERA in the American League (AL) in 1916.
15th overall for career ERA.
Wins (65 career):
Top 3 in the AL in 2 of his 5 full seasons as a pitcher.
Won the most games of any left-handed pitcher in the Majors from 1915-17.
Win/Loss% (.671 career):
12th on the list for best career win/loss percentage.
Strikeouts:
Top 5 in the AL in 2 of his 5 full seasons as a pitcher.
Shutouts:
#1 in the AL in 1916.
What you may not know is that Mickey was also the fastest from home to first base than anyone. He could fly on the diamond, really unmatched until injuries took its toll on him. He was also one of the greatest drag bunters ever. When Mantle hit a slump, he'd just bunt his way to first base to keep his average up.
I never got to see the Babe, but my grandfather and great uncles did. He was just a freak of an athlete who could do it all, hitting home runs and pitching, before he put on weight over the years by breaking all kinds of gastronomic performances.
When Old Timers were asked who hit that ball further, Ruth or Mantle, one great Hall of Famer who played against the Babe and watched all of Mantle's games, pitcher Walter Johnson, had this to say about that controversy.
"Mickey hit more long home runs than anyone. But Ruth's ball got smaller quicker after he hit it than anyone I have ever seen."
An interesting thing about Walter "the Big Train" Johnson, who was the fastest pitcher of Ruth's era, came from fellow Hall of Famer Bob "Rapid Robert" Feller, who also threw as fast as anyone in the 1940s and 50s and watched all of the modern day hurlers like Koufax, Ryan, Gibson, etc., said that NO One threw as fast as Walter Johnson. He (Feller) saw Johnson pitch many, many times, too as a young man.
Incidentally, Ruth held the record for the most consecutive scoreless innings pitched in World Series play until Whitey Ford passed him in the 1960s. Ruth also held the pitching edge over Walter Johnson, beating him with regularity before playing just the outfield in the 1920s. Ruth, as a Boston Red Sock from 1915-1919, matched up with Johnson 9 times. Ruth won six games and lost three, pitching complete games. Three of those wins were by 1-0 scores.
In Babe Ruth's 1916 season as a pitcher, his record was 23 Wins and 170 Strikeouts, with a 1.75 ERA, 9 Shutouts and 23 Complete Games – a very impressive mark for even the best pitchers in baseball.
You could make the argument had Ruth pitched his entire career, he might be considered the best lefty ever. As it is, he is widely considered by many observers to be one of the ten best lefties ever to take the mound.
In the 1916 World Series between the Red Sox and Brooklyn Robins (eventually Dodgers), Ruth took on Sherry Smith in what would become one of the biggest pitching match-ups in history. The game was tied 1-1 through 14 innings until the Red Sox finally scored and won the game. Both Ruth and Sherry Smith pitched the entire game, which is still the longest World Series game ever played.
In the 1918 World Series, Babe Ruth pitched 29 1/3 scoreless innings, a mark that stood until 1961 when Whitey Ford finally broke it. It wasn’t until 1919 that Babe began his transition into a hitter, with 17 games pitching and 130 games hitting that year. In the four and a half seasons that Babe devoted to pitching, he amassed the following statistics:
ERA – Earned Run Average (2.28 career):
#1 in ERA in the American League (AL) in 1916.
15th overall for career ERA.
Wins (65 career):
Top 3 in the AL in 2 of his 5 full seasons as a pitcher.
Won the most games of any left-handed pitcher in the Majors from 1915-17.
Win/Loss% (.671 career):
12th on the list for best career win/loss percentage.
Strikeouts:
Top 5 in the AL in 2 of his 5 full seasons as a pitcher.
Shutouts:
#1 in the AL in 1916.
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 3/21/20 at 2:01 pm to TigerintheNO
quote:
Babe Ruth threw a no-hitter without throwing a single strike, June 23rd 1917 vs the Washington Senators.
That's Ernie Shore's perfect game that doesn't count as a perfect game.
Ruth walked the first batter, got so pissed at the ump he punched him and got tossed out, then Ernie Shore did the rest of the work picking off the runner on first and retiring the next 26.
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 3/21/20 at 2:48 pm to 3morereps
Dunno, maybe he did. Ruth seems like a statistical outlier.
If winds, temp, and humidity were all favorable, maybe he did.
If winds, temp, and humidity were all favorable, maybe he did.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 2:53 pm to Dr RC
Ernie Shore also moved to the Yankees in Harry Frazee's sell off. Right?
Posted on 3/21/20 at 8:10 pm to Yankeeman3033
quote:You're in luck. Mickey Mantle participated in a homerun derby. This was filmed in 1959, right in Mickey Mantle's prime at 27 years old:
I can honestly confirm that NO ONE hit baseballs as far as Mantle did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaxrzW3aSrc
Look at all the homers just getting over the wall... now compare that to today's homerun derbys where guys are hitting balls to the fricking moon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTH0jlCWlBQ
I don't think there is any doubt that the wild claims from long ago are exaggerated.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 8:48 pm to PrimeTime Money
"Wild claims" about Mickey Mantle and Babe Ruth??? It must be wonderful to put down those who you never saw. And as far as the Home Run Derbies of yesterday and today, the players hit off of live pitching. If you took a pitch that was a strike, that counted as an out in Mantle's day. The hitters back then couldn't sit back and wait for their handpicked "pitchers" to slowly lob the ball to the exact spot where they wanted it like they do today. Had today's players participated back then, they would have been very lucky to hit five or six total homers. No comparison in what a Home Run Derby was then to now!
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