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re: T or F: Babe Ruth Hit longest dinger in MLB history (575 ft)
Posted on 3/23/20 at 2:22 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 3/23/20 at 2:22 pm to WestCoastAg
One seasons stats that will never be matched.
.378 59hrs 171 runs batted in and 177 runs scored. Nobody and I mean nobody will ever match these single season numbers.
.378 59hrs 171 runs batted in and 177 runs scored. Nobody and I mean nobody will ever match these single season numbers.
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Posted on 3/23/20 at 5:13 pm to PrimeTime Money
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You’re comparing guys who are competing in a golf tournament, who have different strategies.
I'm not following you. What do you mean they have different strategies? There were a handful of holes every round that they would try to hit it as far as the 'straight-fully' could. Both were trying to win golf tournaments.
Tiger has perfect mechanics, genetics, discipline. No one would question that he could crank'em. Daly certainly had good golf genes but you'd never know that by appearance.
Point being, folks look at Ruth and conclude (based on appearance - and to a lesser extent Mantle) there's no way he could hit HRs as far as today's greats. IDK if he did or didn't. My point is it can't be ruled out based on era or appearance.
IMO, the analogy to long-drive contests doesn't hold. That would be akin to finding individuals who were only trying to hit a baseball as far as they could. Surely, some could be found who generate more bat speed than say Judge. But that wouldn't disprove anything about Ruth/Mantle.
This debate has largely turned on how could the inferior athletes of yesteryear have hit baseballs as far the superior athletes of today. I don't think we can conclude they didn't.
We're talking about:
- Just a handful of rare individuals; not an entire group
- A very specialized skill (swinging a baseball bat); not overall athleticism
- Some documented feats (Jackson hitting the transformer at Tiger Stadium, Mantle hitting the roof at Yankee Stadium, Kingman hitting the building behind Wrigley).
Posted on 3/23/20 at 8:09 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:Why does Judge hit it so far? Is it because he’s huge?
Surely, some could be found who generate more bat speed than say Judge.
What about his teammate Giancarlo Stanton? Why does he hit homeruns further than anybody in the game? Is it because he’s massive?
Look, I’m not saying guys who aren’t massive can’t hit long homeruns. There are guys like that today such as Ryan Braun. But nobody is claiming Ryan Braun can launch a homer 500+ feet, much less completely wild claims like 575.
The biggest and strongest and most athletic, steroid-infused, sweet-swinging modern baseball players can’t even do that. If you honestly believe some guy a hundred years ago launched a nearly 600 foot homerun, you just enjoy believing in fairy tales.
Edit: Oh, and PS... I forgot.. Ryan Braun got popped for PED’s. He even had artificial enhancement aiding him in his power.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 3/23/20 at 8:16 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:That’s not even the original thread. The original thread is claiming guys from yesteryear were hitting BOMBS way further than anyone today can hit.
This debate has largely turned on how could the inferior athletes of yesteryear have hit baseballs as far the superior athletes of today. I don't think we can conclude they didn't.
People then responded that not only is that a ridiculous claim, but in all other areas of sport, athletes have gotten better and improved over time, therefore it’s logical to conclude that not only could players a hundred years ago not hit balls further than today, but they probably could not match the hitters of today.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:59 pm to PrimeTime Money
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That’s not even the original thread. The original thread is claiming guys from yesteryear were hitting BOMBS way further than anyone today can hit.
The OP was about one individual and one feat. And I don't think he's asking if Ruth hit one 575' vs 574'.
But the scope of debate has turned to a broader scope as you note (and as did I).
It's no longer just about one guy. It's about vastly different eras. And the line of argumentation is drawn along whether the inferior athletes of a different era have done exceptional things comparable to the superior athletes of today.
And the logic is like this: if we aren't seeing the hitters of today hitting 575' shots, then there is no way Ruth did it.
IMO, he didn't. And it's like a fish story. But that's not the same as saying no older era players hit 500'+ shots. And such feats are relatively rare even today.
And if you go back to your long drive golf example (and I don't follow the sport), there's a kid named Sandowski (?) who's much smaller than most of the competitors, but he was competitive with them. Not because he was huge. He just had amazing flexibility and mechanics.
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