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re: Miami - ND game...Catch or no catch?
Posted on 11/8/26 at 5:54 pm to GentleJackJones
Posted on 11/8/26 at 5:54 pm to GentleJackJones
quote:He had possesion with two feet in the endzone and then took a third atep with possession and then a defender knocked the ball away out of bounds
You've got to complete the catch
How many seconds is required for possession? Since when is their a time requirement?
This post was edited on 11/8/26 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 11/8/26 at 5:55 pm to lsupride87
It's Notre Dame. The receiver could have run three rows up in the stands and handed the ball to a 10-yr old fan and it would be ruled a no catch.
Posted on 11/8/26 at 5:55 pm to lsupride87
he didnt even have a second step down.
Posted on 11/8/26 at 5:58 pm to East Coast Band
It's incomplete.
That infamous Florida "catch" against Tennessee was just wrong.
That infamous Florida "catch" against Tennessee was just wrong.
Posted on 11/8/26 at 6:00 pm to lsupride87
So a WR who catches the ball with 2 feet down, 2 knees down, and goes to the ground and loses possession upon impact, that's a catch?
If so, there have been a million calls that were wrong. You have to maintain possession through the ground or contact from a player.
He knew he lost possession. Just watch his reaction afterwards. This is pretty simple.
If so, there have been a million calls that were wrong. You have to maintain possession through the ground or contact from a player.
He knew he lost possession. Just watch his reaction afterwards. This is pretty simple.
Posted on 11/8/26 at 6:06 pm to bayoujd
I have never heard “through contact with a player”
But if so, how long does a player have to hit you and dislodge the ball?
Surely you aren’t saying if a player swipes the ball away 2 seconds after a catch it’s incomplete….
But if so, how long does a player have to hit you and dislodge the ball?
Surely you aren’t saying if a player swipes the ball away 2 seconds after a catch it’s incomplete….
This post was edited on 11/8/26 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 11/8/26 at 6:12 pm to lsupride87
It's probably not in the rules about maintaining through contact with the ground or a player. But that's how it has been called going back to GB-Dallas playoff game with Dez Bryant. Since then, it seems you have to show control through the end of the play.
In the ND game, he got it knocked out during the action of the play. I agree 2 seconds later would be too long after, but this one was in the act of the play when you watch it live. He lost possession pretty quickly after landing in bounds.
In the ND game, he got it knocked out during the action of the play. I agree 2 seconds later would be too long after, but this one was in the act of the play when you watch it live. He lost possession pretty quickly after landing in bounds.
Posted on 11/8/26 at 6:25 pm to East Coast Band
That's a catch. Nowadays they want you to hold it until you give it to the ref it seems.
Posted on 11/8/26 at 6:33 pm to East Coast Band
In the South Carolina game there was a fumble. Guy was trying to recover but his hand touched out of bounds while he touched the ball - dead ball. Here, receiver has control, both feet in bounds, then steps out of bounds. So, it's a catch then a dead ball as he goes out of bounds. Should be a TD.
Posted on 11/8/26 at 8:29 pm to PoliticalSavant
I knew Miami was fricked the play before…which was obvious, blatant DPI that was not called.
ND cheats. Always has.
ND cheats. Always has.
Posted on 11/8/26 at 11:40 pm to East Coast Band
It should be a catch but this is why the Calvin Johnson rule is stupid. If you catch the ball in the end zone, the play should be over. TD. It should be no different than a ball carrier crossing the plane of the goal line. Once they do the play is over. Doesn’t matter if they fumble the ball after before their knee touches.
Football needs to adjust the rule where it a player catches the ball in the field of play, it’s a catch. It shouldn’t matter what happens after they cross out of bounds
Football needs to adjust the rule where it a player catches the ball in the field of play, it’s a catch. It shouldn’t matter what happens after they cross out of bounds
Posted on 11/8/26 at 11:53 pm to Raoul Stimulato
quote:
Slowing it down distorts the reality of the play Definitely not a catch
Yeah, can’t believe this is a controversy. We have people watching it in slow-mo and looking at feet, and saying because he started to touch the football and pull it in and got two feet in, it’s a catch… even though he never even caught the football. He never at any point had full control / possession. Very obvious at full speed.
Meanwhile, the TE himself knows he never actually had control/possession/never actually caught the football. Hence his complete lack of reaction.
This post was edited on 11/9/26 at 12:33 am
Posted on 11/9/26 at 1:09 am to Andrew82
quote:
It should be a catch but this is why the Calvin Johnson rule is stupid. If you catch the ball in the end zone, the play should be over. TD. It should be no different than a ball carrier crossing the plane of the goal line. Once they do the play is over. Doesn’t matter if they fumble the ball after before their knee touches.
I admit, I thought it was incomplete in real time, but I agree that the logic has never made much sense to me. Had the Miami WR caught the ball at the 1 yd line, and cameras showed the nose of the ball reached the front of the goal line as he rotated, it would've been ruled a TD, no?
In the Bears game tonight, Odunze made a sliding TD catch and immediately spun the ball in celebration before he got up. It was obviously a catch, but I think he technically "maintained possession" for less time than Calvin Johnson did in almost the same spot all those years ago.
Like others have posted, terms like "complete the process" or "made a football move" are recently invented standards that we just kind of accept as fans now, even though they don't seem to be consistently applied in every game.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 7:04 am to East Coast Band
Catch
Posted on 11/9/26 at 8:14 am to DBG
quote:
He caught the football. Enough of this over officiating nonsense
You are acting like this has been officiated the same for 50 years and we are just now changing the way it is called. In the end zone it has always been the "complete catch to the ground" type standard. In this case, he never went to ground but he didn't complete it through the entire motion.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 8:20 am to Buckeye06
No catch. He did not complete the process of the catch, i.e. secure the ball. Even the receiver knew it by his reaction.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 8:24 am to East Coast Band
It’s clearly incomplete
Posted on 11/9/26 at 8:27 am to H-Town Tiger
For context:
This was called incomplete by officials within the last decade. If that is incomplete, no one knows what is complete or when
This was called incomplete by officials within the last decade. If that is incomplete, no one knows what is complete or when
Posted on 11/9/26 at 8:28 am to East Coast Band
To me it's a catch because he caught it with two feet in bounds and then stepped out BEFORE it was stripped. Catch and play over, then ball knocked out.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 8:55 am to East Coast Band
quote:
Ordinarily on the field, this probably would always be called incomplete.
But,as we learned in the Western Michigan / Michigan game, play (and the clock) immediately stops once a player touches the out of bounds.
Rules seem to be different regarding out of bounds situations.
Seems like he had the ball, with possession, then stepped out of bounds, thus immediately stopping play.
For the record, I hate both Notre Dame and Miami equally.
When the clock stops has nothing to do with this.
This is a close play.
That 3rd foot coming down is what would end the play and show a completed catch. But, the ball is ever so slightly moving before that happens.
I think it's an incomplete pass. But, it's close.
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