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re: The Average Retirement Savings By Age
Posted on 5/2/26 at 7:31 am to Upperdecker
Posted on 5/2/26 at 7:31 am to Upperdecker
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One single data point that your daughter didn’t learn personal economics
She knows. She is just living the life, right now. Bought a car, moved into a trendy apartment building in Austin, spends a lot of money on entertainment and travel.
She is starting to get serious about buying a home and making the sacrifices needed. Shes single and only 26 years old. She'll get there.
Like I said, I worked two jobs to save up money for a home, when I made the decision to do it. She has not come around to change her mindset/lifestyle, yet.
These days, young professionals are growing up later than they used to. My parents got married as soon as they finished college and started saving for a house. They had one car, and ate out once a month. Growing up, we ate out once a month. We lived in St Francisville, and generally, that meant we went to the Redwood Inn.
My point is that its not just that things cost more, it that priorities have changed, as well.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 8:38 am to Jax-Tiger
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She knows. She is just living the life, right now. Bought a car, moved into a trendy apartment building in Austin, spends a lot of money on entertainment and travel. She is starting to get serious about buying a home and making the sacrifices needed. Shes single and only 26 years old. She'll get there. Like I said, I worked two jobs to save up money for a home, when I made the decision to do it. She has not come around to change her mindset/lifestyle, yet. These days, young professionals are growing up later than they used to. My parents got married as soon as they finished college and started saving for a house. They had one car, and ate out once a month. Growing up, we ate out once a month. We lived in St Francisville, and generally, that meant we went to the Redwood Inn. My point is that its not just that things cost more, it that priorities have changed, as well.
I bought my first house in 2006 at 25 and it was one of the best decisions I ever made. Instead of walking away from Baton Rouge with nothing if I had been renting I walked away with 500k. Put all that as a down payment on my last house and did some upgrades already. Should be able to walk away with a pretty penny after this one and pay cash or close to it on my next one which will be my 5th house.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 8:53 am to NC_Tigah
The difference between median and mean is telling. Two different worlds.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 9:01 am to KWL85
I have an old coworker that was on GFM for rent money. She's on SSA too.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 12:57 pm to Upperdecker
quote:This has been discussed many, many times. The premise is "It is not worth my time to invest less than $20,000, and I only have $10,000. So instead of saving/investing that $10,000, I will spend it on something that I can enjoy in the moment, like a car, vacation, eating out, etc."
This is just false ... the actual equation that says it’s harder for younger generations to buy a house, have a family, and build wealth
ZIRP offered some of the most affordable housing in generations. That is just a fact. The opportunity unfortunately, coincided with well documented GenY preferences for social experiences rather than traditional relationships and home purchase. As a result, comparable age GenY travel & leisure experiences dwarf those of any other generation in American history.
Social media pictures of beautifully prepared meals at upper end restaurants with great ambiance were uniquely millennial, as were friends on vacation in Europe, doing kissyface poses for selfies in front of the Eiffel Tower. The thought of buying a fixer-upper home in disrepair was anathema in that social "glam" world.
There are also cofactors involved in presentations like the one you've cited though.
E.g., In your chart, if an unmarried partner is living in a home owned by the other partner, they are (rightfully) classified as non-owners. Considering differences in generational cohabitation, can you see how that consideration would create a generational statistical skew? That anomaly would be additive to the predictably better economic productivity of a partnership (marriage) vs two individuals.
The importance is, when considering married cohorts, the graphs narrow dramatically. E.g., Adjusted for the marriage discrepancy, at age 30, Gen Y lags Boomer home ownership by 5pts, not 15. Until age 25, and after age 40 Gen Y leads Boomers in ownership when corrected for marriage differences.
Here is an illustration:
And the corollary:
Posted on 5/2/26 at 1:20 pm to NC_Tigah
You brought up marriage which is a good topic for another reason as well.
A lot of this mindset can be a result of women being in the workforce. Jax mentioned that young professionals are growing up later than they used to. Women used to immediately start looking for marriage in their 20s, now they go and establish a career first. It often makes sense to rent until you are married. Now you have singles in their mid-late 20s who have decent enough incomes with no reason to buy a home. They have "disposable" income paired with free time on the weekends. They don't have anyone to cook for at home so they go out. The men are taking girls out on fancy dates and trying to impress them. The girls are spending their money on clothes and beauty products and trying to attract a man. Kids aren't even on the radar yet but that clock starts ticking at some point. And the priority becomes finding a spouse before a house and definitely before saving for retirement. I'm not saying that's a good excuse, but i do think women seeking careers instead of marriage at age 20 is the reason people are growing up later and delaying things. And compound interest suffers the most.
Then there's the host of downstream results such as the increase in divorce rates, single parents, and possibility of forced layoffs in the future due to the larger workforce + technology that all reduce the ability to save
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instead of saving/investing that $10,000, I will spend it on something that I can enjoy in the moment, like a car, vacation, eating out, etc."
A lot of this mindset can be a result of women being in the workforce. Jax mentioned that young professionals are growing up later than they used to. Women used to immediately start looking for marriage in their 20s, now they go and establish a career first. It often makes sense to rent until you are married. Now you have singles in their mid-late 20s who have decent enough incomes with no reason to buy a home. They have "disposable" income paired with free time on the weekends. They don't have anyone to cook for at home so they go out. The men are taking girls out on fancy dates and trying to impress them. The girls are spending their money on clothes and beauty products and trying to attract a man. Kids aren't even on the radar yet but that clock starts ticking at some point. And the priority becomes finding a spouse before a house and definitely before saving for retirement. I'm not saying that's a good excuse, but i do think women seeking careers instead of marriage at age 20 is the reason people are growing up later and delaying things. And compound interest suffers the most.
Then there's the host of downstream results such as the increase in divorce rates, single parents, and possibility of forced layoffs in the future due to the larger workforce + technology that all reduce the ability to save
Posted on 5/2/26 at 2:26 pm to ronricks
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The ‘birthday lottery’ is a real thing.
Of course it is. Neither of us have dysentery from drinking water from aqueducts, I hope! Kidding.
Change is constant. Building wealth as a priority ‘mindset’ can be, too. Dare I say, it should be and can be.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 7:42 pm to Roy Curado
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This seems way too low...
It's way to high.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 8:11 pm to La Place Mike
quote:Unfortunate truth
It's way to high.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 8:14 pm to NC_Tigah
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It's way to high.
Unfortunate truth
It amazes me how many employees do not take advantage of their companies defined contribution plans.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 8:41 pm to La Place Mike
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It amazes me how many employees do not take advantage of their companies defined contribution plans.
When I hear “wealth divide”, this is one of first things I think of.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 10:11 am to La Place Mike
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amazes me how many employees do not take advantage of their companies defined contribution plans
My company matched 3% and gives 5%, so I tell all mu employees, at least put in 3%.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 11:04 am to Yeti_Chaser
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It often makes sense to rent until you are married.
I’m solid Gen X and when I look back at my 20’s nobody I knew could afford a home prior to marriage and combined incomes, largely due to the need for a down payment. Almost everyone rented with a roommate. My wife and I were married for a little under a year before we bought our 1st home.
This concept that any individual should be able to afford a home is a new development.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 1:39 pm to kywildcatfanone
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My company matched 3% and gives 5%, so I tell all mu employees, at least put in 3%.
They should, it's a no brainer but a lot will not.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 2:29 pm to La Place Mike
Wish their was an opt in requirement and then employees had the option to opt out.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 3:13 pm to Upperdecker
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The boomers actually stole our prosperity though.
This is retarded.
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It’s pretty easy to see. You can look at inflation adjusted income over last 30 years, or % of income needed to buy a home over last 30 years - objective statistics.
Does this "objective stat" take into account the changes in homes? Size, features, etc? I don't think so.
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Or while less reported, the lack of upward mobility for millennials in corporate America due to boomers delaying retirement and holding down upper management roles for far too long. I can go on.
JFC
It's crazy to see so many fortunate Americans convinced by the Left that they are economic victims.
Yay socialism! It's what you're going to get if you don't pull your head out of your arse.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 3:33 pm to Upperdecker
quote:Upperdecker ... yikes!
Classifying retirement funds as “savings” nullifies this whole thread. If your retirement is in a savings account, you’ve fricked up
Dude, "savings" are the portion of your income that you don't spend, i.e., money set aside rather than consumed. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the account you choose to house the money in.
Simply put: Savings = Income - Tax & Spending
Posted on 5/3/26 at 3:43 pm to Upperdecker
quote:Dude, damn, the internet is not that hard.
. You can look at inflation adjusted income over last 30 years
Do better!
Here is what " inflation adjusted income over last 30 years" looks like.
Regarding housing, housing is now in a post-Covid bubble. Coupled with post-covid loan rates, it is a tough market. But that is looking at a convenient excuse snapshot. In fact, had millennials followed home purchase prioritization of previous generations, by the time covid hit, they'd have already been homeowners, and beneficiaries rather than victims of the price run-up.
Here are the ACTUAL FACTS:
Home purchase in 1990 cost nearly 40% of monthly income.
Home purchase in 2020 cost roughly 17% of monthly income.
In 1990, buying a median-priced home (~$149K) with a 20% down payment at 10.1% interest consumed roughly 39% of median monthly income on principal and interest alone — well above the conventional 30% affordability threshold.
By 2020, even though the median home price had more than doubled to ~$320K, historically low mortgage rates (~3.1%) meant the monthly payment consumed only about 17% of median income.
The only folks who "stole millennials' prosperity" were millennials themselves in deprioritizing traditional 20-30-something life choices.
This post was edited on 5/3/26 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 5/3/26 at 4:01 pm to David_DJS
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It's crazy to see so many fortunate Americans convinced by the Left that they are economic victims. Yay socialism! It's what you're going to get if you don't pull your head out of your arse.
Go to the poli board if you want to make things political and wrongly assume people’s political stances
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