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Need advice on handling workplace violence/threat/harassment.

Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:52 am
Posted by Germinator
Member since Mar 2014
78 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:52 am
First, I apologize if this is the wrong forum for this post, but I made a calculated guess that maybe those with a strong interest in finances, would also be experienced in business and employment standards.
I work for a company, as a Production supervisor, and am looking for advice and direction on handling an issue with my direct Manager. The manager has a history of intimidation, scaring employees, and even incidents of angry outbursts. He is, however, best friends with the plant manager. They came here from the same company, where they worked closely together for years. The manager even was the guy who hired the Plant Manager at their previous company. I'll cut through all the other bull. In May of this year, we had a disagreement over my being friends with a former employee, who had been released by the company earlier this year. He's a good friend of mine, and we do not discuss the business, but I refuse to stop being friends with someone simply because they no longer work with the company. The problem lies in the fact that my manger and my friend do not like each other, and upon his leaving, the guy filed a whistleblower complaint against the company, with multiple other employees, (none of which were myself) regarding some hostile workplace issues. This was investigated, and found justified enough that the corporate HR team flew down from NY and did an entire week of management training to change the environment here to a more friendly and accepting one. They even gave all production employees a percentage raise in pay to attempt to fight the backlash, and remedy the complaints they were receiving. We share an office together, and it's quite isolated on the far end of the plant, just the two of us in the office. He went off on me that day, getting in my face after I told him that as long as I am not divulging company information, who I am friends with outside of work is my business only. It got so heated, that I walked out of the building to get away from him, to avoid what I thought was going to escalate to physical violence. About 15 minutes later, he sent me a text from his company issued cell phone, and it read verbatim as follows. Names will be changed for security purposes. "Not sure where you are, but I'll touch on this one final time. You can be friends with Jack all you like, but just understand that we know what he is doing, and in turn you are probably doing as well. Just like him, your presence here is temporary, and I'll see to that no matter what else I do. When the day comes and you are walked out, I'll be sure to be there watching as it happens. You let him know that if he continues to try to come for my job, then I am more than willing to meet him in person, and let him know just how far I'm willing to go. that goes for you as well. You may have these people fooled, that you're some tough guy or something, but not me. I see right through you. If I find out you're a part of this, I'll be extending that same offer to you, because I honestly think bringing you down a few pegs is just what you need. Also, I'm the one that signs your pay, your performance reviews, and sets your schedule. Remember that the next time you want to scheme with someone else. Now, you have 5 minutes to be inside or I will report that you left without notice."
Two days later, I went on medical leave to have surgery. upon my return last week, I sent our HR manager, and the Corporate HR manager an email detailing the incident, and screenshots of the message, with his company number showing as the sender of the message. Up until this point, nobody has had much solid proof of him threatening violence, or other severely inappropriate behavior, so he has faced limited discipline, even being promoted to Value Stream Manager in the meantime. So, having this physical proof is a big deal, as he goes to great lengths to not do these things in the presence of others in Management, or allow any solid evidence to be existent. They verified the accuracy, and said an investigation would be opened. My issue is this. I sent that message 10 days ago, and he we are, still sharing this isolated office together, on the far side of the plant. We are the only two people in this office, and it is extremely tense, and I feel it is unsafe to allow it. I feel that the first thing should have been to separate the two of us, as he threatened me with violence, and they still allow him to have unlimited access to me throughout the day, with nobody else present to witness or prevent any further issues. I'm now getting the cold shoulder from the management team, passive aggressiveness every day, no longer any good mornings or hellos. I feel like they want to make it so uncomfortable for me, that I'll just quit or something. Please, can anyone give me some advice, and tell me if I have options, or what I should do?
Posted by CHiPs25
ATL
Member since Apr 2014
2901 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 6:58 am to
Let him hit you, sue, profit. Also, see if he can teach you formatting for your (non)-paragraphs.
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
11441 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:15 am to
Sounds like a company headed for a ditch. Putting companionship above 'what business are we in' If able to depart, I would as a dead end is ahead
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37715 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:32 am to
Nothing and I mean nothing would be better for him to get physical with you.

Talk about an early retirement.

Posted by Fox McCloud
Member since Oct 2020
3525 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:53 am to
He’s done. Sending that message buried him. Any action that results in you losing your job or him doing something to you will give you major grounds for a lawsuit against the company.
Posted by Realityintheface
Member since May 2022
1784 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:58 am to
If all this is taking place in Louisiana, I would have a recording device at my desk and on my person at all times running 24/7. All hidden of course. I’m talking video as well. Today’s tech is great and not expensive. Small and long running. In Louisiana, it’s legal if one party to the conversation knows it’s being recorded. You will have to turn off the one at your desk whenever you leave so that might take some ingenuity or remote to shut off

This guy is best friends with the plant manager. You need the best evidence you can get. The plant manager will protect him as much as possible. Physical violence would be a game changer (even a shove) though but you need that on film if at all possible.
This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 8:09 am
Posted by PetroBabich
Donetsk Oblast
Member since Apr 2017
4623 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 8:05 am to
That company is now your enemy. Continue coming to work and drawing a pay check. Bait the guy into more unprofessional behavior, bait the management cold shouldering you into unprofessional behavior and start setting conditions to sue the company.
Posted by BillWilliamson
Pensacola, Fl.
Member since Nov 2020
75 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 9:05 am to
Unfortunately for you, the fix is in. He has favor with the right people and they see you as the problem. If this was going to be resolved internally there would be signs already and since its not happening, it's apparent that they believe you need to go.

I worked for international paper for 14 years and saw this many times throughout multiple departments. It is corporate logic at work when the fix is in. Right now, he is deciding how to set you up to take the fall for some issue and fired or reprimanded so badly that you quit.

It's not right but this is how they do things at that leveland there isn't much you can do about it.

If I were you, I'd be looking quietly for another job. I know it sucks because he's in the wrong and you want to fight for what's yours but it's also obvious that the powers that be have no intention of removing him and see you and other employees as the problem. When you are gone, so are their problems.

Good luck to you but unless this guy screws up big time they are going to cold shoulder you and falsely accuse you until you leave.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24154 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 9:08 am to
Don’t do any of this. “Bait the guy” is the creation of an even larger mess.

It sounds like you are truly worried for your safety and should be able to have HR move you to another location in the interim while the current investigation is completed.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
28589 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 9:25 am to
10 days and you’ve gotten nothing from HR? Time to lawyer up and sue the frick out of them.
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3796 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 9:29 am to
What an absolute shite company. Regardless of the outcome, you should not continue to work there.

Market is pretty hot right now, follow through with the investigation, but plan your exit.

Reach out to HR. Go up another level. The Plant Manager is not above HR Leadership or lawsuit. There’s a reason most companies separate HR from Production. The Plant Manager will not risk his job for this BS Manager causing trouble. But either way, this doesn’t end well for you. It’s the right thing to do, and toxic work culture has allowed it to happen and you to become the enemy because of reporting it.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58138 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:00 am to
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10 days and you’ve gotten nothing from HR?


Yeah this is a sign your company isn't worth a damn if the HR just sits on their arse this long over something like this.
Posted by Flowbe209
Member since Dec 2015
141 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:21 am to
It may be taking this long because the company has lawyers looking into it. Previous posts telling OP to consult with a labor attorney are spot on.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4106 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:31 am to
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It may be taking this long because the company has lawyers looking into it.


When there’s a threat of violence, it shouldn’t take this long.
Posted by Grinder
Member since Nov 2007
1817 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:34 am to
Find an employment lawyer.

The evidence you have is substantial enough that most lawyers will take this on. Any new recordings would be beneficial, but they’ll be on the lookout for that. Proceed carefully.

Also, you will not be working here much longer. Quietly start looking for another job.

There’s a chance that you will be receiving a substantial severance offer. Don’t initially accept it. It’s probably 1/4 of what you’ll get. A good lawyer will squeeze them pretty good.
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
3118 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:39 am to
I wouldn't quit. I'd consult a lawyer. If I could record myself while on the job I would. You're gathering information that may be used in a Court of Law, not just for HR purposes. I'd reach out to HR again and tell them that you are concerned about the working environment and your specific working situation. I would probably also mention concern about retaliation. If there is an obvious compromise (even if temporary) on where you sit I would ask that it be pursued. This way, you have evidence of your concern and also evidence they did nothing if something sinister goes down. If they won't respond to you, your lawyer might get their attention. I would do that at a last resort, however. Either way, I'd make that fricker and/or the company face the music without escalating the situation.

edit: And of course this does not constitute legal advice. ;-)
This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 10:40 am
Posted by hiltacular
NYC
Member since Jan 2011
19677 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:44 am to
You need to get a lawyer asap. They will give you advice on what to do or not do.

That text coupled with HR inaction and previous examples of harassment/threats will work in your favor significantly.


Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
15638 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 10:54 am to
He’s creating a hostile work environment based off the text alone. Document all this and plan your exit.
This post was edited on 6/25/22 at 10:58 am
Posted by biggie
Member since May 2013
86 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 12:17 pm to
Many of the posts here are commenting on the inaction of HR. I wouldn’t necessarily be discouraged by that. The larger the company, the slower those wheels of investigation and subsequent action take since usually more than one corporate department is involved. As far as the shared workspace concern goes, I would definitely communicate that to HR. It creates a paper trail and encourages action on their part to fix your immediate concern.

With all that being said, unless there is change with your immediate supervisor and the plant manager, your days there as an employee may be numbered. It sucks since none of it is your fault, but I fear that is the reality.
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
7580 posts
Posted on 6/25/22 at 12:31 pm to
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I would have a recording device at my desk and on my person at all times running 24/7.

An i-phone with enough GB has that capability. The voice memo app that comes with every i-phone can run with the window minimized and the only indication that it is running in the background is a small orange bar across the top of the home screen.
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