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re: Need advice on handling workplace violence/threat/harassment.
Posted on 6/26/22 at 8:36 pm to thelawnwranglers
Posted on 6/26/22 at 8:36 pm to thelawnwranglers
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Now that you have a lawyer ask her if she wants to discuss their concerns with him/her/they
Tell her you'd like to get her concerns in writing to know exactly what's expected of you.
If the OP could see the emails between his boss and the HR manager...you can imagine what they are saying behind his back.
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Posted on 6/26/22 at 8:36 pm to thelawnwranglers
dup
This post was edited on 6/26/22 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 6/26/22 at 11:02 pm to Germinator
This is Germinator's boss, meet me at the Sonics in Dothan at midnight and we'll settle it like men.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 8:18 am to Germinator
Wow. The management sounds like they're grade A here.
How big of a company are we talking? > 250 employees? > 1,000?
This sounds like a company of 25 or less based on their actions but to have an HR dept flying in to the plant, makes me think it's a rather large company. . .
I'm sure HR is concerned about your buddy's WB complaint escalating and you're secretly involved. That's the only trap you can step in here so I'd definitely not talk about it with your buddy, or at a minimum don't tell him anything he doesn't already know.
Good luck.
How big of a company are we talking? > 250 employees? > 1,000?
This sounds like a company of 25 or less based on their actions but to have an HR dept flying in to the plant, makes me think it's a rather large company. . .
I'm sure HR is concerned about your buddy's WB complaint escalating and you're secretly involved. That's the only trap you can step in here so I'd definitely not talk about it with your buddy, or at a minimum don't tell him anything he doesn't already know.
Good luck.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 10:03 am to Germinator
Posted on 6/27/22 at 12:04 pm to Germinator
quote:
She told me that they are concerned that I am merely trying to "recruit others into the fold to ensure the guy loses his job." She also made it clear that I would be disciplined, and a secondary investigation would be opened if I were to tell others within the plant of the existence of the text message, and the fact that an investigation into the manager is underway. She basically told me to keep my mouth shut, and only talk to my employees about work, and nothing or nobody else.
Threatening employees is usually not a great look from the HR manager
I would only communicate with HR through writing going forwards
Posted on 6/27/22 at 12:12 pm to Germinator
1. HR
2. Dept of Labor
3. Lawyer
4. Restraining order from court
Document everything.
Call sheriff.
Report threat.
2. Dept of Labor
3. Lawyer
4. Restraining order from court
Document everything.
Call sheriff.
Report threat.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 12:25 pm to Germinator
quote:
She told me that they are concerned that I am merely trying to "recruit others into the fold to ensure the guy loses his job." She also made it clear that I would be disciplined, and a secondary investigation would be opened if I were to tell others within the plant of the existence of the text message, and the fact that an investigation into the manager is underway. She basically told me to keep my mouth shut, and only talk to my employees about work, and nothing or nobody else.
The first part is concerning, but the other is pretty boilerplate. They are trying to get a read on the issue without extra influence but they are also trying their damnedest to limit the company's exposure. Getting a lawyer involved was the 2nd smartest thing you've done in this (the first was keeping that moron's text).
From now on, make sure your responses to HR are via email. Here's an example:
quote:
HR Person,
Pursuant to our conversation earlier today when you came by my office, I understand that you are concerned about my possibly trying to "recruit others into the fold to ensure the guy loses his job", but I wish to assure you that is not the case. Also, while this investigation is underway I also understand, per that same conversation, that I am not to discuss this with no one else who works here.
If you have any other questions or concerns, please feel free to reply to this email as I look forward to our being able to resolve this issue together.
Sincerely,
-Big G.
They'll know exactly what you are doing and if they are trying to screw you over you'll get a rather robust and verbose response (which you will let your lawyer know about).
quote:
The Attorney said if I am still in an office with this person by Thursday, he will submit a petition to the company to place either me or the other person on paid administrative leave until proper action is taken, or legal intervention will be initiated.
You will know within minutes when the company receives the petition.
The last thing any company wants is to have to go through proceedings where they were obviously negligent in addressing such a blatant workplace threat. Whether or not you realize it, you've had the company by the balls since he sent that text. They likely did not think you would retain counsel, so they were slow-walking it while they looked for a way to blame it all on you or just hope you eventually let it go (and possibly left of your own accord). Each day which passes without some disciplinary action against him just tightens your grip. 
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:01 pm to Germinator
This is nuts. I am eagerly awaiting updates.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:05 pm to Germinator
Sounds like yall need some work to do. I can imagine sending a text to tell someone to get back to work with more words than 'get back to work'
Idle hands are the devils playground. We got two people in an office, one a manager, the other a supervisor.
Idle hands are the devils playground. We got two people in an office, one a manager, the other a supervisor.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:26 pm to tigerfoot
Don’t worry, they’ll be reducing head count soon
Posted on 6/27/22 at 4:13 pm to Germinator
Some red flags for your personal reflection:
You just posted your grievance in pretty good amount of detail on an open social media site. In doing so, your judgment is already in question.
Lapse of time between incident and making HR aware less than ideal.
You are passively waiting for HR response rather than proactively taking control of resolving the imminent threat that you feel.
First thing I would do tomorrow morning is contact HR and engage the formal grievance process with urgency.
Second thing I would do is reflect on above.
You just posted your grievance in pretty good amount of detail on an open social media site. In doing so, your judgment is already in question.
Lapse of time between incident and making HR aware less than ideal.
You are passively waiting for HR response rather than proactively taking control of resolving the imminent threat that you feel.
First thing I would do tomorrow morning is contact HR and engage the formal grievance process with urgency.
Second thing I would do is reflect on above.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 4:42 pm to Germinator
You should just let the name of the fella “slip” on the OT and let them baws do their work 
Posted on 6/27/22 at 5:27 pm to BobRoss
I need the update to this post in the worst way
Posted on 6/27/22 at 5:45 pm to Germinator
quote:
She told me that they are concerned that I am merely trying to "recruit others into the fold to ensure the guy loses his job." She also made it clear that I would be disciplined, and a secondary investigation would be opened if I were to tell others within the plant of the existence of the text message, and the fact that an investigation into the manager is underway
Id ask the hr manager if she would take that same approach if you were a woman and the guy had sent sexually suggestive emails to you.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 8:27 pm to BobRoss
quote:
This is nuts. I am eagerly awaiting updates.
Damn me too i want to know what happens to his prick of a boss
Posted on 6/27/22 at 9:28 pm to diat150
quote:
Id ask the hr manager if she would take that same approach if you were a woman and the guy had sent sexually suggestive emails to you.
Absolutely do not do this
You have the company by the balls, don’t do anything even remotely objectionable that could change that situation
Posted on 6/28/22 at 4:11 pm to DallasTiger45
Here's the current update as of COB today. Our General Manager, who lives in another country as he oversees the operation of a plant in that country, is on site as of yesterday afternoon. I learned that yesterday after I left, manager was escorted off the premises, and his access to the facility revoked. He is currently on suspension pending the results of the investigation. It has become very evident that regardless of the outcome, I can't continue to work there, as the entirety of the Tier 1 management team has completely ostracized me. Not a single one of them speaks to me, unless business issues make it necessary. But, that's really it as of now. I'll continue to go, and do my job, and await the investigation results. I'll update if anything new happens.
Posted on 6/28/22 at 4:44 pm to Germinator
Do you have a Sonic nearby?
Posted on 6/28/22 at 5:11 pm to Germinator
Not sure why you are being treated that way for literally walking away from conflict and the guy seeking out a fight in the form of text.
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