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Posted on 10/31/18 at 4:44 pm to
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23479 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 4:44 pm to
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Settle down. It’s my life in the shitter, not yours.

I'm a teacher. I can't help but care. I hate to see folks not have a clue where $1,500 of their money ends up while simultaneously complaining about paying off just seven grand in two years.

Wouldn't you agree that you both work too hard to allow $1,500 wander off unaccounted for? Is your wife worse off financially than you are?
This post was edited on 10/31/18 at 5:01 pm
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27565 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 4:54 pm to
quote:

hate to see folks not have a clue where $1,500 of their money ends up while simultaneously complaining about paying off just seven grand in two years.


I’m at work. I think I am underestimating something. Believe me we don’t have $1500 sitting in checking after everything is paid. I am missing something. I am at work typing from my phone.
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13867 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 5:35 pm to
Do you have an emergency fund (money in checking/savings, non retirement investments)?

Normally I would say a 1k emergency fund is way too low, but it might just scare you into doing a budget.
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
36869 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 5:47 pm to
mother of God.... 63K of CC debt....

At what point did y'all just stop caring/ noticing and let it go completely??

Edited: I see that not all of that is CC but still... my question remains.
This post was edited on 10/31/18 at 5:59 pm
Posted by B4YOU
Member since May 2018
344 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 7:39 pm to
It takes balls to admit you have a problem. Enjoy Holloween with the kid tonight.

My simple suggestion: Make a budget.

I like Mint as an easy spending tracker with a budget function. It will breakdown spending categories. It allowed me to very quickly notice poor habits. Watching the needle move will make cost cutting to pay down debt bearable.

My specific suggestion: Heloc

If you 80-100k value in you home and can get a 5-6% loan to pay off 8.9-22.8% CC debt, then you will see massive savings.

My warning: If you don’t budget, then you will never escape debt.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24980 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 8:00 pm to
If he defaults on the HELOC, then he loses his house...so there is a risk appetite there. Your point remains that it could be a great way to get out of high interest CC debt.
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15751 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 8:17 pm to
quote:

I like Mint as an easy spending tracker with a budget function. It will breakdown spending categories. It allowed me to very quickly notice poor habits. Watching the needle move will make cost cutting to pay down debt bearable.


I was just coming here to post this.

Using Mint you can track EXACTLY where your money goes per month.

I personally don't think you have put much effort in attempting to pay down the debt. If you were really looking to cut into the debt, you wouldn't spend $1400 a month on ENTERTAINMENT! The easiest way to cut into your debt is right here. I'm guessing y'all have a bad case of FOMO but with that kind of debt, you have to gain a backbone and stop going to dinner/movies/golf or whatever it is that you are spending that much a month.

This post was edited on 10/31/18 at 8:19 pm
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23479 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 8:44 pm to
Just a cursory glance at the recent post history shows that our OP here isn't one to part with nice things.

1) Pool and hot tub reboot
2) Woodworking hobby
3) Guitar junkie (revised: guitar addict)
4) Drinks alone at local watering hole $$$
5) Weekend trip just a couple months ago
6) Guitars... Is this the problem OP?
7) and he's mentioned a wife who likes to spend...I'm afraid this is all of America.

I'd argue that literally none of this should be of concern with the amount of cc debt we're talking here.
Did you, God forbid, buy a guitar with the credit card? Regardless, guitars are bought with money that should have gone TO the debt...

and then there's this gem:
quote:

I realize this is a low set bar. I work at 7AM and I know the correct answer is probably a smoothie of some sort. All of my smoothie options open AT 7.

This leaves me with Chik Fil A, Whataburger, and MacDonalds. Everybody gets in a bind now and then and aren't up in time to make a decent breakfast. What do you guys do when you must hit up a drive thru breakfast?
OP, try intermittent fasting to save money!

Upon further review, our guy is just ate up with good ole American consumerism. I get the itch about twice a year to buy a new dress shirt, but damn! Half his threads are either about buying or repairing something, a hobby, or drinking at bars.
shite dude! Pay that credit card down! How much are you spending on alcohol? How much on your summer getaways?
This post was edited on 10/31/18 at 8:57 pm
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13867 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 9:01 pm to
Easy answer, but not one you want to hear: work five 12 hour shifts/week. I’m guessing you work 3 12’s a week with an occasional 4 12 hr week.

If 5 12’s in the ER is too strenuous, get a second job at an occupational health clinic where you mainly piss test people or treat on-the-job injuries.

None of this will work, however, unless you get your spending under control.

To put it bluntly, suck it up, make more, spend less. There is no magic formula/shell game for your debt that will fix this.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 9:31 pm to
quote:

OP, try intermittent fasting to save money!

Or hard boiling a dozen eggs on Sun nite and eating two every AM. Protein packed, minimal effort, and cheap. I keep feeling sorry for his kid—what is that lil guy getting for breakfast? Cooking at home is a damn good way to save money. If you make juniors breafast, why aren’t you making your own at the same time? Peanut butter on whole wheat toast and half an apple...beats the hell out of smoothies or fast food. It’s actual, minimally processed food that’s not expensive.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36176 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 9:35 pm to
quote:

Or hard boiling a dozen eggs on Sun nite and eating two every AM


But then my fats will stink and that's just not good

--OP finds another excuse to waste his money.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
25751 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 9:39 pm to
Sell the house pay off all debt, save the rest. Use the savings per month (1700 bucks) to help with increase from 1600 to whatever rent is and save the rest every month to buy a new house later (or not).
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60584 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 10:05 pm to
quote:

That’s Dave too. It’s a bit puritanical. I as a borrower have sinned. I am a glutton and must be punished. Sell your cars and buy a shitty but dependable car and deliver pizzas as a side hustle.
nevermind.

See you in a couple more years
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 10:23 pm to
quote:

Their sales points are that they only collect off of the deduction they obtain. Meaning they get all lenders to agree to take 45000 instead of 63000. They have me pay 49000. They keep the 4grand.
They likely require you to default on your loan and then settle with each creditor for less than the balance owed. You will be taxed as income on any debt forgiven and your credit will be shite for a while. In addition, they will take a big chunk of the charge off amount.

It is a terrible idea. Even if you were to go this route in dealing with your debt, you can accomplish the same thing without their help.
This post was edited on 10/31/18 at 10:34 pm
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 10:27 pm to
This is simple

quote:

Entertainment. Bring on the downvotes. $1400.


the above has to equal zero until the below equals zero.

quote:

Credit Cards $1700!!!


There is nothing wrong with spending whatever you wish on entertainment and or travel IF it is within your means and it is not done with borrowed money.
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
7908 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 10:57 pm to
quote:

My simple suggestion: Make a budget


Isn’t it amazing how clear the picture becomes when you know where every dollar is going?

I was up to $70,000 in debt at one point - some Katrina related, some medical, but plenty just credit cards. Got it all paid off. Then I ran credit cards up to $37,000 again. My attitude was “We have $5K/month after bills are paid - it will come down eventually.” But it’s amazing how many miscellaneous expenses creep up each month even after all the fixed expenses are paid (my average miscellaneous expenses after all bills are paid is around $2K/mo., which shocked me).

For a few months I started writing down every dollar we spent. I realized I was overspending an average of $1,500/month. I put a budget on paper - nothing fancy, no computer program needed, just a notebook with all of my bills/expenses/entertainment allowance/investments, and everything else itemized. Credit cards are pretty much wiped out now and I keep things in check. I have money put away for the first time in my life.

Life is much better and less stressful due to a pen, a notebook, and some common sense. I still write down every dollar I spend, so if I am over budget even for a week, I know exactly how much. It’s not about beating yourself up, it’s about holding yourself accountable for every dollar you spend.
This post was edited on 11/1/18 at 12:08 am
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
84289 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 11:13 pm to
wife and I owe $3,200 to Best Buy at 0% for our washer, dryer, and fridge for our new home and it makes my butthole pucker every time I see it. We pay $200 per month and will have it paid off 11 months before it is due.

We have the savings to pay it but finance says to not use that money even if it’s getting next to no interest in a conventional savings account versus the debt at zero percent.

Some people just have different attitudes towards debt. But I don’t feel sorry for OP at all. I read all five pages. He’s not serious about really getting out of debt.
This post was edited on 10/31/18 at 11:15 pm
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52884 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 12:57 am to
quote:


In the same thread you are saying his wife should be working, he should have side jobs, with an 8 year old at home, you tell him to go down to one vehicle. Where is the logic in that



Oh, and automatically sell his house in spite of there being markets where it can be far more expensive to rent than to buy.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
25751 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 6:10 am to
Housing + debt above = 1700+1600+new a/c loan + money needed for maintenance/repairs

Housing if renting (selling and using equity to pay off massive debt) = just the rent

Owning a house is not always the best situation even if the note is less than rent.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24980 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 6:29 am to
That’s not an apples to apples comparison.

This thread has been such a waste of time. The OP clearly isn’t focused on solving the issue and I wish him the best.

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