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Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:08 pm
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26999 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:08 pm
I had a thread a while back (2016) got some good advice.

We did the debt snowball and took out debt down from mid 70K to 63,000.

Just too slow. Our son is 8, life will not get easier or more affordable. Spoke with a company from a random mailer. Loan is a no go, but they offer debt consolidation etc.

Essentially the debt negotiation company setup.

Looking specifically for folks who have gone this route and their experiences.


What they SAY is they can reduce or payments from $1700 a month to 900 or 1100 a month depending on terms of 42 or 52 months. No prepayment penalty.

any experience or advice on a company?

IB4 you suck.

IB4 not changing spending habits. We are.

Ib4 you suck at life... As I said in my last thread. you can't beat me up more than my wife and I are already.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82032 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:22 pm to
This is not the best way to ago about this, but judging by your OP you already know that.
quote:

What they SAY is they can reduce or payments from $1700 a month to 900 or 1100 a month depending on terms of 42 or 52 months. No prepayment penalty. 
sure, but you in the end you pay way more than what you owe. That's how that works. But again, looks you know that.

Good luck man.
Posted by LSUcam7
FL
Member since Sep 2016
7906 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:28 pm to
That’s not horrible. I think your #1 focus should be “how can I make $10-30k of additional income” and pay that mess off in 5-8 years.

Both of you working?
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:44 pm to
My thoughts too...second, third, fourth job/side hustle. She needs to be working too.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26999 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:50 pm to
quote:

sure, but you in the end you pay way more than what you owe. That's how that works. But again, looks you know that.



doing that now.

that 63K will be 200K if sticking with credit payments at minimums.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56329 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:52 pm to
Never had experience with those services.

Don’t beat yourself up, but start making major strides. You will regain your pride as this stuff gets chopped away
Posted by Bullfrog
Institutionalized but Unevaluated
Member since Jul 2010
56263 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:00 pm to
Can you refinance your house, roll it in and go back to a 30 years term?

Will reduce your monthly payments but be more over time, most likely.
This post was edited on 10/30/18 at 9:03 pm
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
25455 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:07 pm to
quote:

doing that now.

that 63K will be 200K if sticking with credit payments at minimums.




Almost zero percent of the time is debt consolidation the best idea. Just think about it in the simplest terms. Right now, it's going to take you 8 years or so to pay it. They're telling you they can lower your payment and pay it off in the same time. Now how would that work? They aren't a charity.
Posted by LSUcam7
FL
Member since Sep 2016
7906 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:12 pm to
quote:

She needs to be working too


Stay at home mom? This isn’t an excuse anymore and even stay at home spouses should be able to make $10-25k/yr with something on the side, especially with the motivation to get out of debt.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18936 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:34 pm to
1. Sell the guitars and drop the hobby.
2. Quit eating at Pappasito's
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26999 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:49 pm to
Not a stay at home mom. We both work. Making more than we've ever made, but the hole we dug before was already deep.

We could be in WORSE shape.

We were plugging along and then our AC died. Had to get another one. Life will continue to happen.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18936 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:59 pm to
quote:

We were plugging along and then our AC died. Had to get another one. Life will continue to happen.

Are you able to throw 2,000 per month at the debt?
If not, What percentage of your income goes to housing? What kind of vehicles are you driving?
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56329 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:00 pm to
Can you go to one vehicle, sell the house. Rent for a bit. Elinsting home maintanence and a vehicle and associated costs could save you more than 12k a year. You could knock all the debt off in 4-5 years if you are already putting 5k a year to it
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18936 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:05 pm to
quote:

Can you go to one vehicle, sell the house. Rent for a bit. Elinsting home maintanence and a vehicle and associated costs could save you more than 12k a year.
If they are making more money than ever then this advice is the only advice.
This post was edited on 10/30/18 at 10:08 pm
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24154 posts
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:55 pm to
What’s the interest rate in the debt?

What’s your household income?
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13657 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 12:36 am to
You’re an ER nurse, per your profile. Work 20 extra hours a week either at the primary job or a secondary job.

Consider a traveling nurse job in rural Texas within a reasonable distance from your family.

In addition to rice and beans, scorched earth, etc.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 1:27 am to
quote:

Can you refinance your house, roll it in and go back to a 30 years term?



I cringe every time I see this.

You can neither borrow nor spend your way out of debt despite what so many people seem to believe. It takes a behavior change and that is not accomplished by rolling the debt into the mortgage.

OP if you are making more than ever and can not pay it off you must change your behaviors or it is never going to end.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35239 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:12 am to
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What they SAY is they can reduce or payments from $1700 a month to 900 or 1100 a month depending on terms of 42 or 52 months. No prepayment penalty.
I think it’s important to consider that there are 3 parties (creditors; you; consildation company) who are all trying to maximize their gains and minimize their risk and losses. And that’s one more party that will want a piece of the pie, that will passing off those costs to the other parties.

In addition, between the two original parties, I’m sure that the creditors have a more systematic and objective plan and basis for it than a person struggling with debt, and they probably have a less emotional link to the agreement as it’s merely a business transaction, likely based on risk models and risk-adjusted returns. So it seems to me that it’s going to be a lot harder negotiate something that would lower their returns, unless there are specific risk reductions that make it more feasible among other factors like nearing the end of the payment schedule where interest payments are at the lowest, or wanting the immediate capital to lend as rates rise.

But even if they were to negotiate something to the creditors’ benefits, I doubt the benefits of the negotiations would result in much of impact on your financial costs since they are trying to benefit themselves first and foremostt.
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But let’s assume they did lower your costs a bit, at least in regards to the debt itself. And all of the debt is consolidated into one single debt, and hopefully the negotiations limited the overall debt owned, but I doubt it’s a substantial amount in reality and it would need the creditors to have detrimened that the terms of the negotiations justified some sacrifice on returns, for some other purpose (less risk; tax implications; interest income decrease). I just don’t see how the creditors would negotiate something that doesn’t provide some specific benefit to the creditors and that this agreement would also benefit you.

Now maybe you would have some minor benefits from them lowering some aspects of the debt. However, it seeens that most of the debt would still be present, regardless of who is debt holder. So I don’t see how they saves you much. In addition, the negotiations themselves have costs, unless the negotiation works for free, that would add to your financial obligations.

And if they are taking on the majority of your debt, and did all of work to get there, then are also assuming the risk attached to that debt, and if they lower rates to benefit you, then they are taking in even more risk since the potential gains are lower with less interest income.

And since they not only lowering your payments, they are allowing for you to be able to pay extra, especially with that buffer zone between the original payment and the new one.

And while I would normally find prepayment penalties to be scam, prepayments do lower the debt holder’s potentially gains as it lowered the total interest paid, which is a debt holder’s major source of income, which a prepayment penalty would either mitigate some of the losses from the reduction in interest or discourage others from prepayment.

So unless they are running it more like a Charitable business, I dont see anyway that anyone who is good at this would put in all that work in the front end, take on the risk of the debt, take in more risk and lower returns by lowering your rate, and it would all allow you to pay off the debt faster with more payments and/or larger payments, adding more risk on top of risk.

So that seems like a lot of work and risk, resulting in a lower ROI than the original creditors with much more work than they would have out in.

There just has to be a catch because adding a middleman to do all the work requiring some very specific and useful skills that aren’t cheap, and then that middleman takes in additional credit risks and allows the prepayment risk in too if it all, I just don’t see how that would be a successful business model. Unless they have other means to obtain the benefits and minimize the risk.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 5:22 am to
quote:

There just has to be a catch


The catch is normally charge offs and long term financing.

customers manage to both mess up their credit AND pay significantly more in interest than if they simply paid off the debt.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20461 posts
Posted on 10/31/18 at 6:18 am to
quote:

The catch is normally charge offs and long term financing.

customers manage to both mess up their credit AND pay significantly more in interest than if they simply paid off the debt.


This. A 3rd party debt company simply comes in to "help" you by making money. They are for lazy people that can't find the lowest interest rates and negotiate on their own. The only people they are actually good for is someone with very high interest rates. You need to simply shop around and see if you can get some personal lines of credit, HELOC, etc. that are as low as you can get on your own.

$60k is not a small amount of debt, but there's absolutely no reason to not have a 4 year 48month plan. Anyone can make an extra $15k a year by hustling. But furthermore, there's no reason you can't pay $5-10k off a year simply by cutting your costs more then you only have to earn an extra $5-10k hustling. Deliver pizza's, uber, work extra shifts, mow laws, etc.

What is the debt in? If you bought tangible items you need to sell them. If you are living in too big of a house or too nice of a neighborhood, sell it and move.

As said, there's no easy way out. There's no reason it should take longer than 4 years. If you are taking longer than 4 years then you aren't working hard enough by changing your spending habits and working extra.

ETA: OP if you are a nurse wtf. That's one of the easiest careers to pick up a side job or extra shifts. $63k as a nurse should be paid off in 36 months easily by hustling, or you simply are not coming close to trying.
This post was edited on 10/31/18 at 6:23 am
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