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Posted on 11/1/18 at 8:34 am to
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
22018 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 8:34 am to
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Also, Mint has been mentioned more than once. Is this a free app or is their a subscription?


Mint is free. There are a few others out there, too. Personal Capital is also free but also includes investment monitoring/tracking tools. It isn't quite as focused on budget tracking.

I think YNAB is suppoed to be good but might not be free.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27756 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 8:35 am to
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Credit card companies constantly give 0% for 12-18 months on balance transfers. I carry no balances and still get them.


We were going this and stopped. Also, we were transferring and keeping the card. Eventually money got put on both. The ULTIMATE dumbfrickery. That part is shameful. Cut those frickers up!!!
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27756 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 8:36 am to
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He's not going to be able to get approved for them


Those cards aren't as plentiful, and you are correct. I will not qualify.
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 8:47 am to
It's November 1, start today with a budget. It's a great day to reset. Get buy in from the wife. You and your wife should buy some peace of mind for each other for Christmas, skip the gifts and pay off a credit card.

People are going to be looking for extra time off for the holidays. Both of you should work extra these next 2 months to get a jump start.

A good budget and extra work and you could get that debt down by 5k to 8k by the start of the new year.
This post was edited on 11/1/18 at 8:51 am
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 9:29 am to
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Also, we were transferring and keeping the card. Eventually money got put on both.


That is what the credit card companies want to happen.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 9:40 am to
As someone that works a salaried job that can often prohibit me from working another job...I'm jealous of roles like nurses that can pick up extra shifts & OT whenever they want...

My MIL is in her 60's and still working in nursing. They treat their base salaries as what covers the bills and the savings and normal "entertainment". Anything extra she works OT for...

They've traveled all over Europe and paid for my wife and I's wedding based almost entirely off of her working OT when she wants. She also says that it makes the events/trips even that more enjoyable since she knows exactly what she did to make it happen.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 9:43 am to
I like the idea of a “no gifts” Christmas as a good start. Sure, buy the youngster some modest things, but why not start a new chapter by each choosing some things to sell & agree to put the funds toward your debt? Both of you probably have jewelry, toys (ahem, guitars?) that you use infrequently, or perhaps designer clothing that can go to a consignment shop.

It’s also worth considering a deeper dive into WHY you compulsively spend. You’re an educated person, you managed to get through nursing school, so you are capable of learning & long range planning. You aren’t lacking in intellect—so what emotional issues make you incapable of NOT living above your means? Find a sliding scale therapist, call your employee assistance program’s counselors, call your oldest friend and explain your predicament....spend your lunch break writing out your problems and why spending money is your downfall. Were you denied stuff as a child? Did you grow up wealthy and can’t seem to live on your present income? Do you hate your job/wife/life and are spending as an escape from your daily reality? Are you insecure about who & what you are, and spending makes you temporarily feel better? Are you repressing deeper issues, and thus subconsciously sabotaging your finances by way of displacement? (We all know people who really wanted a divorce or to come out of the closet, and rather than own it like grownups, they created a mess that made their leaving/life changes seem like a solution to the mess.)

If your wife is part of the problem, make her part of the solution. Do you have honest convos about money? Is she as terrible an overspender as you are? You’re gonna need to pull together.

Go look at that sleeping kid if you need some motivation to get your life right. You wanna tell him, “sorry, dad’s broke, you’re paying your way through community college”. Or worse, you end up with major medical issues at 55 and cannot work, and you’re still in debt and become a burden to him for 30-40 years.

In short, time to grow up. Grownups put the needs of others before their own wants. Grownups pay their debts and can afford to help other people who need it. Grownups understand that material things don’t substitute for a life well lived, the respect of your family & friends, and peace when you go to bed at night.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95484 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 9:48 am to
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Any of you guys in Katy or the Houston area and know a good finance person?




Debt/borrowing got you into this mess. It will not get you out.

Good news is that you're not insolvent. Bad news is you haven't hit rock bottom yet and don't appear ready to make effective change until then.

Good luck, baw.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
24524 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 9:49 am to
Thanks to the OP I'm all motivated again to start spending less!

Just got engaged and planning a nice honeymoon for the summer.
Only credit card debt is about half the value of the ring I just bought. I've already balance transferred, and will pay it off sooner than later. I don't add to that credit card balance whatsoever.

You better believe I'm drinking cheap beer for as long as I can (Canadian), and sub $10 wine. I've got no one to impress. I drink at home or with friends. That helps a lot. I only drink out once per month.

I spend about $50 on personal entertainment per month. It's just the mindset you've got to have.
I sacrifice now so I can enjoy Napa and the PNW in full come summertime.
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
8088 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 9:52 am to
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The "1500 dollar watch" was my 40th birthday present to myself. I had amassed quite a bit of cash and gift cards over birthdays and Christmas to pay for it. And it's a $3800 watch I believe if bought brand new. I went used




Now I know exactly why you have all this debt. You’re exactly like me.

I got into debt early because I “deserved” those things. I grew up with nice things. In high school I drove a brand new 280ZX Turbo my junior year and a brand new 300ZX Turbo my senior year because my dad bought them for me. Then I slaved away in college and dental school for 7 more years. I had goddamned “Dr.” in front of my name so I “deserved” those things I grew up with, and I deserved them immediately. Even if I didn’t have the money today, I’d have it soon. So just charge it and pay for it later.

But even when I wasn’t budgeting at all but was aware of my debt, and was making twice what you are, I wouldn’t spend $1,500 on a watch. And I like watches. My arm feels naked without one. But my most expensive watch is around $700. As someone else already said, that $1,500 watch IS part of your debt because that money could have been used to eliminate your debt. No matter how much you deserved it or how good of a deal it was.

You need to track every dollar you spend and find out where it is going. Then set up a budget and stick to it. Reading most of your posts is like looking in the mirror for me.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95484 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 9:54 am to
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Also, we were transferring and keeping the card. Eventually money got put on both. The ULTIMATE dumbfrickery. That part is shameful. Cut those frickers up!


Are you 100% cash right now?
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27756 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 10:04 am to
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Are you 100% cash right now?


No cards. If that’s what you mean. “Emergency fund” was used on AC. It’s down to $600. Need to put $$$ back in.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 10:06 am to
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“Emergency fund” was used on AC. It’s down to $60


I'll never understand how people can be in the top 20% of income in the country and have $600 cash to their name.
Posted by BACONisMEATcandy
Member since Dec 2007
46731 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 10:11 am to
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you haven't hit rock bottom yet and don't appear ready to make effective change until then.

Good luck, baw.



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Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27756 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 10:16 am to
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I'll never understand how people can be in the top 20% of income in the country and have $600 cash to their name.



That’s just the emergency fund.

If you don’t “understand” then carry your arse out of this thread. I expected some shite, but you’ve made snarky comments throughout. Why don’t you go down to a nursing home with some brain teasers for the Alzheimer’s patients or pull the wings off of dying insects?
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 10:20 am to
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If you don’t “understand” then carry your arse out of this thread. I expected some shite, but you’ve made snarky comments throughout


I'm not making snark comments, I'm telling you the truth, which you don't like.

You know your behavior is bad, you just don't want to change it.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61375 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 10:24 am to
Mingo can be an enoumous douche but in this thread you have brought it on yourself. Your description of your finances is pretty vague. You have tried to validate every bad decision you have made in spite of the mess your finances are in. Most people use the term Emergency Fund as the cash they have put aside when nothing else is available. I find it hard to believe that you have some savings above and beyond the emergency fund...and if you do, that is dumb. You are getting raped in interest charges.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95484 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 10:25 am to
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That’s just the emergency fund.


So, Baby Step #1 means you should get that back to $1000. I even argue that it should be $2000, but that's your call.

Then you're back on Step 2 for potentially 6 or 7 years.

However, as has been made perfectly clear in this thread - you HAVE to get a handle on every penny coming in and every penny going out. I'm not saying you have to agonize over it, but you HAVE to get awareness and visibility. That's actually "Baby Step 0" - and then, you have to challenge yourself - code or otherwise mark every budget line item that is "unchangeable" (mortgage is the obvious one here) - things you can't affect or can't affect much.

THEN, you free up money for the snowball by attacking every discretionary item - entertainment, groceries, clothing - and those you might be able to reduce or eliminate - massive wireless bills, massive cable packages - all those pennies and dollars add up to hundreds over time.

Until you get better momentum on the snowball, challenge every "avoidable" spending. And I don't mean you shut down your life. Once you get a handle on the budget, you can budget vacations, "emergencies", other priorities - but only if you have a full handle on every penny coming in and going out.

Frankly, until you have a handle on the cash flow, you're thrashing around in quicksand. Again, just more honest/frank talk for you.

I hit rock bottom. I'm never going there again. You can avoid it, but it requires affirmative action - aggressive action at that. And the sooner the better.
Posted by TigeRoots
Member since Oct 2008
8556 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 10:56 am to
How much did you spend on Fantasy FB entry fees this year?
This post was edited on 11/1/18 at 10:57 am
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27756 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 11:06 am to
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How much did you spend on Fantasy FB entry fees this year?


We are low budget. 40 bucks.
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