re: Why some in the NFL think Joe Burrow is the greatest QB prospect ever

Posted by Lester Earl

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Posted on 7/2/20 at 4:55 pm to SammyTiger

A prospect is simply an athlete who has yet to play professionally. Or in baseball’s case, has yet to exhaust rookie eligibility.

What makes a great prospect?

Tangibly: Age+production+ measurables

Age (relative to competition & past successful prospects )

Production (relative to competition & past successful prospects)

Measurables (relative to past prospects who have become successful)

Posted by SammyTiger

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Posted on 7/2/20 at 4:57 pm to Lester Earl

So basically everyone’s understanding of the word.

You’re just being an a-hole because we disagree

It’s a multi factor test and you’re just disagree
With my point that being really good in some ways can outweigh other factors.

This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 4:59 pm

Posted by Lester Earl

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Posted on 7/2/20 at 4:59 pm to SammyTiger

Except instead of note that Burrow has marks in each category, you find an excuse to paint it as a non issue lol,

Posted by Lester Earl

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Posted on 7/2/20 at 5:03 pm to Lester Earl

And realize that I can think of burrow as the 7th 8th 9th best QBs prospect ever, whatever it is, and he can still be the best player in the 2019 draft & still can be the guy that completed the best single season in CFB history.

It’s not all mutually exclusive.

Posted by SportTiger1

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Posted on 7/2/20 at 5:09 pm to BayouCatFan

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Most qbs would shine when they are running an NFL offense with talent galore against college defenses. Burrow had a all-time great season, but it was mostly the X's and O's that got him there.

this is ridiculous. go back and watch his throws against UT, Bama, and especially Clemson.

Dude was throwing Aaron Rodgers level dimes all over the field.

Posted by SammyTiger

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Posted on 7/2/20 at 5:11 pm to Lester Earl

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And realize that I can think of burrow as the 7th 8th 9th best QBs prospect ever, whatever it is, and he can still be the best player in the 2019 draft & still can be the guy that completed the best single season in CFB history. It’s not all mutually exclusive.

Just like I can disagree with you and know what a prospect is.

Also I wouldnt say Age is as important as other factors.

Especially at QB. It rarely a physical man amongst boys situation.

This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 5:14 pm

Posted by SammyTiger

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Posted on 7/2/20 at 5:16 pm to Lester Earl

So does every QB

Lawrence plays no one and sucked in the playoffs and is less productive than Fields.

This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 5:17 pm

Posted by Lester Earl

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Posted on 7/2/20 at 5:27 pm to SammyTiger

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So does every QB

Except joe burrow, apparently

Posted by SammyTiger

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Posted on 7/2/20 at 5:34 pm to Lester Earl

His Pros far outweigh his cons.

More so than any other QB.

Making him the best prospect in my opinion.

You’re just a pretentious a-hole who likes to pretend your opinion is fact.

This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 5:35 pm

Posted by Lester Earl

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Posted on 7/2/20 at 5:42 pm to SammyTiger

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More so than any other QB.

If you agreed with my definition of prospect, this can’t be true

Age: 23yr old 5th year SR
Production: 1 years worth
Measurables: small hands, average arm

Posted by SammyTiger

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Posted on 7/2/20 at 5:55 pm to Lester Earl

I agree With your definition but not your rubric.

I dont Put as much stock into age or hand size.

I dont Knock him as much for having 1 productive season considering he only really had 1 year of opportunity.

My rubric would be:

Productivity (Competition, Statistics)
Potential (physical attributes, mental attributes)

Unless they’re 25 I dont Really care how old they are.

What Burrow has going for him is that he was more productive against better competition than anyone ever in 2019z

Lawrence has good production against shitty competition. Inconsistent production vs good competition.

I would Want to see Lawrence throw 40 plus TDS next year. Otherwise has he peaked? Because he didn’t improve this year.

This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 6:18 pm

Posted by Lester Earl

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Posted on 7/2/20 at 6:36 pm to SammyTiger

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I dont Put as much stock into age or hand size.

I dont Knock him as much for having 1 productive season considering he only really had 1 year of opportunity.

Just say you have different standards for your guy

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What Burrow has going for him is that he was more productive against better competition than anyone ever in 2019z

Lol he didn’t do shite for the 4 previous years. That is a knock.

Lawrence is 25-1 as a starter with historically great first 2 year numbers

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would Want to see Lawrence throw 40 plus TDS next year. Otherwise has he peaked? Because he didn’t improve this year.

Lol

Dude he had 15 more TDs in 2019 than 18’.

More yards
Higher YPA
Higher QB rating
More rushing yards
More ruTDs

You are a shitty troll.

This all has to be a troll. No one can be this stupid

Posted by SammyTiger

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Posted on 7/2/20 at 6:42 pm to Lester Earl

While starting more games he threw less than 100 more yards 6 more TDs and twice as many Ints

He also went from being good in the playoffs to sucking in the playoffs.

Posted by Lester Earl

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Posted on 7/2/20 at 6:46 pm to SammyTiger

51 snaps per game vs 56 snaps per game

Negligible

His running increase alone makes him way better than 18’.

Wtf are you even talking about

Posted by SammyTiger

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Posted on 7/2/20 at 7:30 pm to Lester Earl

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His running increase alone makes him way better than 18’.

He’s not Lamar Jackson though. He isn’t going to be running in the NFL. As an NFL Scout why do no care?

He’s a marginally better passer and got Red Zone touches he didn’t get last year.

Doubled his turnovers. Didn’t double his passing TDS.

This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 7:42 pm

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Posted on 7/2/20 at 7:42 pm to Lester Earl

Why do you have Baylor flair on right now

Posted by Lester Earl

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Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:06 pm to SammyTiger

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He’s not Lamar Jackson though. He isn’t going to be running in the NFL

There’s no in between huh lmao

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He’s a marginally better passer and got Red Zone touches he didn’t get last year.

Doubled his turnovers. Didn’t double his passing TDS.

I still find it funny that you keep downplaying the best start of a college football career in defense of a guy that wasn’t good until his 5th year

I have to say, you don’t know what a prospect is

Posted by SammyTiger

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Posted on 7/2/20 at 8:17 pm to Lester Earl

Jackson has 176 carries the next most by a QB was Josh Allen with 109

No other QB had 100 carries in 16 games.

There really isn’t an in between. And Lawrence isnt as athletic as Watson or Murray

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I still find it funny that you keep downplaying the best start of a college football career in defense of a guy that wasn’t good until his 5th year

Best START.

I can Name several players with better sophomore years.
Tebow, JFF, Winston. Howell had more TDS less Int as a freshmen in the same conference.

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I have to say, you don’t know what a prospect is

You’re arguing for a guy who’s second year wasn’t as good as Winston’s.

You’re just an a-hole.

Imagine if you knew anything about scouting.

This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 8:26 pm