re: What’s an acceptable record for the McMen on the board?

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Is it too much to ask be atleast .500 in year 2??

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Are we talking .500 in conference or overall. Either way I wouldn’t say that an unacceptable expectation, but I would say it seems unlikely unless all the pieces fall into place before conference games start.

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For some reason McMeh is given a pass to be picked near dead last in the SEC for the second year

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Doesn’t really matter where you are picked. If he can’t put together a decent recruiting class or show that he’s the developer of the diamond in the rough like he was advertised I would hope he doesn’t see a 4th season.

If he wins 4 sec games I’d call it a huge turnaround and success

The worst conference record in program history and not winning the national championship are opposite ends of the spectrum and you trying to conflate the two by using a straw man is very disingenuous.

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worst conference record in program history and not winning the national championship are opposite ends of the spectrum and you trying to conflate the two by using a straw man is very disingenuous.

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Undoubtedly a superlative post by a pillar of this forum to be held in the utmost esteem by yours truly as well as all brethren heretofore known as Tiger fans congregating here unbeknownst to our employers for the main, but not sole, purpose of camaraderie and fellowship in supporting our flagship university and the very institution of higher learning that is to the world simply known as THE LSU.

He inherited a horrible situation.

Just see improvement on the floor and improvement in recruiting ever year.

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The General didn’t need 3-4 years. Won the sec in year 2!

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He did not have the massive dark cloud hanging over the program that McMahon had last year.

Now that that is gone, you judge him on the next two years, not last year.

This imaginary dark cloud doesn’t exist. He had the 15th ranked composite class last season, was predicted to be a middle of the pack SEC team but tied the worst conference record in program history. Hopefully he turns it around but these excuses aren’t valid explanations for how bad we were year 1.

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They’ll have arguably less talent on the floor than last years team that won 2 SEC reg season games.

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I'm not willing to go there just yet. They don't have a KJ Williams. However, if Cook is eligible they have at least one guard who is better than any other guard on last year's team. I think you could also make the argument Stewart is better than any guard they had last year as well. I had high hopes for Miller and Justice Hill. But the reality is they did not play well. Miller was content to be just a bad 3 point shooter all season. Stewart and Cook have the ability to score at all 3 levels.

The frontcourt is a bit of a toss up, but could be much better overall even without a "star" like KJ. Reed and Ward have some encouraging traits. Can they develop in year 2 is the question. Ward was encouraging on the Bahamas trip. Baker, while not KJ, can do some of the things offensively that KJ provided. Collins is more naturally athletic than ANYONE LSU had on the team last season. You then have guys like Wilkinson, Fountain, Hannibal, and Wright. None of them are stars. But they have all shown at various points of their careers they can make those hidden "winning" plays in games from time to time.

Last year's team should have performed MUCH better than they did. But I also think, with the benefit of hindsight, we thought they would be solid because we gave McMahon the benefit of the doubt with the reality being the team probably wasn't THAT talented. I think this group could be better overall. Does that mean 9 SEC wins? I'm not willing to take that bet right now. But I think they will be much more competitive in what should be a weaker SEC (compared to last season). Plus, for the first time in 2 years LSU's SEC schedule doesn't look to be absolutely brutal. 2x games vs. Alabama, Arkansas, and (now) A&M are tough. But the other 2x opponents this year are Vandy and Georgia. Other than South Carolina, that's about as favorable a 2x opponent group as you can ask for.

McMahon has lost the benefit of the doubt. Nothing illustrates that more than LSU being picked to finish 13th this season after being picked to finish 9th last year ahead of what was expected (and was) to be a tougher SEC. He'll have to earn back the benefit of the doubt. However, I'm willing to let him do it before presumptively saying this season will be horrible again.

I dont care so much about the wins and losses this year. Not expecting a tourney team. But i do expect us to be competitive in a majority of our games. Whether thats 5-7 wins in conference or 9-10 wins. But play well on at least one side of the ball (looks like offense) and stay in single digit results most games