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re: Top 25 Head Coaches from On3. Not a fan of BK.

Posted on 2/4/25 at 2:35 pm to
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
22545 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 2:35 pm to
quote:

Without Tom Brady Belichick is an average coach. 


Want me to tell you why you're wrong?
Posted by Donkus
Shreveport
Member since Feb 2013
1225 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 3:07 pm to
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Basically a list of how coaches did last year.


This.
Posted by Zap Rowsdower
MissLou, La
Member since Sep 2010
14633 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 3:13 pm to
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Want me to tell you why you're wrong?


You’re right. He’s definitely wrong. Bill is a below average coach without Brady as his starting QB.
Posted by Mobiletiggah
Mobile Alabama
Member since Mar 2021
3281 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 3:29 pm to
Who gives a flip? Not me. Even if they had listed BK as #1,…….meaningless. Completely.

These self aggrandizing, supposedly insightful sports news platforms aren’t worth the time that it takes to read anything posted.
Posted by otowntiger
O-Town
Member since Jan 2004
16216 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 3:34 pm to
Based on what he’s accomplished I don’t see how you could put much higher.
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
22545 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 4:11 pm to
Nah. Would he be the best ever? Probably not, but Brady and Belichick are alot like Payton and Brees, they owe their success to each other as much as themselves. Without brain numbing decisions by Loomis and Payton and the NFL really fricking them every chance they got, the Saints probably cost the Patriots 1 or 2 Super Bowl rings, and without Covid, and the NFL rigging it, the Bucs don't win the SB with Brady. Then neither of them would be considered the GOAT. That's not whar happened though.

I probably just rambled on, I got stopped mid-comment and had to retrace where I was at.
Posted by Zap Rowsdower
MissLou, La
Member since Sep 2010
14633 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 4:17 pm to
I mean 83-104 without Tom. That’s kind of the definition of below average

But I get what you’re saying
This post was edited on 2/4/25 at 4:18 pm
Posted by Mats86
Member since Mar 2021
4921 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 4:32 pm to
It’s always subjective, but there is some questionable choices.
Deion sanders is a bit of a stretch at 7, as well as Kyle whittingham at 8. Mario Cristobal feels a little bit overvalued along with Leipold. I would say Kelly is a little undervalued. How is Sherrone more even on this list? It’s also questionable to have leipold and not have guys like PJ Fleck, Dan Mullen, or Chris Kleiman. Also, belichick is a complete wildcard.
Posted by SpencerRob
Pass Christian, MS
Member since May 2008
1354 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 4:34 pm to
If you think Cristobal and Sanders are elite football coaches, then you’re too stupid to even talk to.
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
24198 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 4:38 pm to
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But then again, what has Kelly done so far...


Way more than 90% of that list.


Ok, I'll bite here and play along.

Has Kelly done more than Lanning, Sark and Freeman? Lanning won a P4 conference and beat the national champion in that same season. Sark won a conference and has been in the playoff the last 2 seasons and won 2 playoff games this year, and Freeman just won 3 playoff games and went 14-2, more wins than Kelly has ever had

So way more than 90%? Maybe way more than 50% which is why he's around the 50% mark

You would take the top 6 on that list for sure over Kelly if offered them today
Posted by s2
Southdowns
Member since Sep 2016
6090 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 4:46 pm to
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Do you agree?


not at all . . . lots of losers
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
133813 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 5:01 pm to
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quote:

Without Tom Brady Belichick is an average coach. 



Want me to tell you why you're wrong?


The 6 Superbowl rings Belichick earned while head coach were all with Tom Brady as QB.

After Tom Brady left the Patriots he went on to win another ring with the Bucs.

At the same time Belichick's record with the Patriots was average at best:

2020: 7-9 missed the playoffs.
2021: 10-7 lost in wildcard game.
2022: 8-9 missed the playoffs.
2023: 4-13 missed the playoffs.
2024: 4-13 missed the playoffs.

Without Brady Belichick was 33-51 or 0.393

Tom started with the Patriots in 2001 and accumulated a record of 219 wins and 66 losses for a winning percentage of 0.768.

For the NFL do you realize how good that is?

Then Tom moves on to the Bucs and gets his last Superbowl.

There is a common denominator here and it starts with a T.

I'm not even a TB fan. I just respect what he has accomplished.


Posted by CynicalTiger08
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2018
2457 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 5:10 pm to
wtf is this list? How is Marcus Freeman immediately in top 25 when he hasn’t done shite? Bret Bielema? Give me a break.
Posted by SelaTiger
Member since Aug 2016
20643 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 5:13 pm to
He’s got to earn respect.
Posted by pitchandcatch27
Huntsville,AL
Member since Jul 2018
3182 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 6:13 pm to
IDC
Posted by Locoguan0
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2017
6314 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 6:17 pm to
Having Sanders on there at all invalidates the entire list. He is barely over .500 with a Heisman winner and a first round QB.
Posted by LuckyTiger57
Member since Dec 2015
1447 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 6:44 pm to
Total trash list.
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
9277 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 7:00 pm to
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And none have the number of Wins he has


How can this fanbase simultaneously crap on Freeman and ND for always having an easy schedule and a virtual lock every year to the playoffs, yet boast about Kelly's record and Championship appearance when he was at ND?
Posted by LaBoyNTn
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2005
669 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 7:18 pm to
IMHO, the Yankee carpetbagger is ranked to high!
Posted by semjase
New Smyrna Beach FL
Member since May 2014
12963 posts
Posted on 2/4/25 at 7:27 pm to
On3 judged Butter Kreme in Year 3 to be #16. (He's still got the OL Coach that can't teach run blocking employed)
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