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re: Not an excuse, a fact. The refs changed the outcome of this game.

Posted on 10/11/26 at 8:56 am to
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/11/26 at 8:56 am to
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You're making no defenses of your arguments.


Oh my god

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The crown is defined using facts. It's " the portion of the helmet above the facemask." That's not an opinion.


Whether it’s used in a tackle is fully subjective though. It’s literally a decision that’s up to the discretion of the official. That’s the definition of subjective.

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This is the same silliness of you not understanding targeting isn't subjective, either.


Targeting is the very definition of subjective enforcement.
Posted by Bob the Terrible
Oakdale, LA
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 10/11/26 at 8:56 am to
It wasn’t so much the refs in Lexington as it was the poons in Birmingham in the control room.

Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 10/11/26 at 8:57 am to
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This is like last night in the real game thread people talking about how nervous they were and I commented my heart rate just went from 79 to...80

What the frick kinda flex is this lmao

Stop drinking soda
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 10/11/26 at 8:58 am to
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That's irrelevant when arguing the refs were against LSU because that argument is based on their calls in real time.


I don’t think the refs were against LSU, but if I did, I could argue that refs understand impactful plays vs non impactful plays.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/11/26 at 8:58 am to
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Whether it’s used in a tackle is fully subjective though.

No that just requires contact, which is factual

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Targeting is the very definition of subjective enforcement.

I'm describing the definition, which is factual.

We saw last night with the refs making a terrible pro-LSU call that the enforcement can be bad
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
485056 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 8:59 am to
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What the frick kinda flex is this lmao


Rational v. emotional, mijo.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86914 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 9:00 am to
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This is like last night in the real game thread people talking about how nervous they were and I commented my heart rate just went from 79 to...80


Do you think this is a flex? :lmao:
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
54480 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 9:00 am to
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No that just requires contact, which is factual


Still wrong.

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I'm describing the definition, which is factual.




Still wrong. You’re literally arguing that targeting is a binary outcome, when it’s not. It up to the official to decide whether it was targeting, which is the very definition of subjectivity.

I’m done with you.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
485056 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 9:04 am to
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You’re literally arguing that targeting is a binary outcome,

It is. It's specifically designated by facts.

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. It up to the official to decide whether it was targeting, which is the very definition of subjectivity.

I already described your pivot. You can stop it now.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
54480 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 9:05 am to
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It is. It's specifically designated by facts.


And decided by subjectivity.

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I already described your pivot. You can stop it now.


I’ve never pivoted. You just don’t know the difference between subjective and objective, or fact and opinion.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62701 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 9:05 am to
I know that on the punt return, an LSU guy was in position to make the tackle and was pushed in the back and out of the play.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
25515 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 9:05 am to
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I agree, the officiating sucked and was one sided. Despite that, the Tigers were still in a position to win, but threw it away.


I don't think that is completely correct. In a close game the refs can intentionally change the outcome with just one obvious "mistake". They don't have to make a dozen. This game had more than just one obvious "mistake" and all were critical.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
76446 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 9:07 am to
You called him a predictable contrarian, and his defense was to proudly provide another example.

Even watching LSU has to become a TED Talk about how much more rational and emotionally disciplined SFP is than everyone else.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
485056 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 9:08 am to
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RB10



Thanks to AI, I'm getting answers to your questions from just yesterday

Navy had no offensive penalties
Illinois had 1
Northern Illinois had 1
Indiana had 1

So not really an outlier scenario
Posted by 4LSUinSC
South Carolina
Member since Nov 2004
760 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 9:09 am to
JP4LSU, LSU is losing games by coming out flat and not getting TDs on opening drives. LSU can change all of this by being the bully and punching the ball into the end zone on the opening drive. This sets the tone of the game and then pour on more TDs. Don’t expect greatness in any coach’s first year at the helm.
Geaux fighting tigers
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
485056 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 9:09 am to
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I’ve never pivoted. Y

You're pivoting from definition to enforcement

I already said refs clearly make mistakes, like how they made a terrible targeting call that was pro-LSU as my example.
Posted by homesicktiger
High altitude hell
Member since Oct 2004
1672 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 9:09 am to
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Even watching LSU has to become a TED Talk about how much more rational and emotionally disciplined SFP erroneously believes he is than everyone else.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
54480 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 9:13 am to
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You're pivoting from definition to enforcement


Wrong. I’ve been talking about enforcement the entire time. YOU keep talking about the definition.

Every rules is designated by facts and most of them are subjectively enforced based on the officials opinion about those facts.

You don’t seem to grasp that.

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I already said refs clearly make mistakes, like how they made a terrible targeting call that was pro-LSU as my example.


Yes, I figured out your contrarian stance early on. I don’t really care about that.

I’m laughing at your notion that penalties are “facts” when they’re literally the opinion of the official.

The OPINION of the officials last night was that Kentucky committed zero offensive penalties for the entire game. We know that is factual because it’s literally impossible, but their SUBJECTIVE enforcement of the rules said they played perfectly.
This post was edited on 10/11/26 at 9:15 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
485056 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 9:14 am to
Last week

Indiana had 0 penalties (offense or defense)
Rutgers had 1
Air Force had 1

I haven't even gone through all the games.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
76446 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 9:15 am to
Here’s my best SFP interpretation:

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So not really an outlier scenario


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So not really an outlier scenario


Three of your four examples had an offensive penalty. One isn’t zero.

The remaining example, if verified, establishes that it happened elsewhere. It doesn’t establish how common it is. What’s your denominator?

You’re confusing “not unprecedented” with “not an outlier.”

I realize basic statistical reasoning puts me in a small minority on this board, but I assumed you could at least distinguish zero from one. Apparently I overestimated your capabilities.
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