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re: Matt McMahon has to be the most frustrated coach among the SEC
Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:25 am to mcspufftiger7
Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:25 am to mcspufftiger7
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1st year was a throw away so let’s see where he ends up this year
I don’t think he will be fired after this season, but the above is a bullshite mindset. Yes, he took the job under adverse circumstances. But by the time he reached November he had a roster EVERYONE who follows college basketball (except chicken-little LSU basketball “fans”) felt would at least be competitive. Not NCAA Tournament caliber. But at least competitive. It wasn’t. At all.
Many on here live in this myopic world where what happened to the LSU roster after Wade was fired was a complete anomaly. The reality is any time a coach is fired now, for whatever reason, the roster undergoes a major upheaval. Some more than others, but that’s now the norm in this transfer era. Fair or unfair, coaches have to adapt.
If McMahon would have had last season a season like he is having now most people would have been ok. Not thrilled, but at least understanding. He didn’t. He had a horrible season that ABSOLUTELY should be part of the evaluation. He’s having an average season thus far. That fact shouldn’t be amplified just because he set the bar for “success” or improvement so low last year.
At some point the excuses have to end. He’s won 6 SEC games in two years! Winning one of the next 3 games where LSU will be a significant underdog would be a GREAT start to turning the evaluation around
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Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:28 am to rutiger
quote:Mcstuffinpuff is the least objective LSU basketball poster.
McMahon is a good coach but not a great coach. Wade was the same. A good coach but not great. What set him apart was his ability to recruit.
bullshite.
Wade had teams in the top 10 in offensive efficiency and in other years had teams in the top 10 in defensive efficiency, this is a sign of a great coach.
I've never seen goalposts move more frequently.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:31 am to Alt26
quote:Dammit man, I type a quick post and think I'm saying something.
Alt26
Then I refresh and Alt26 just upped me again.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:33 am to TrueTigerTale
Unfortunately a lot of that poor shot selection came from a 5th year senior who needs to break out of the funk he has been in and show more leadership instead of acting like a child on the sideline.
As for Mulkey, she has one of the most talented rosters in college basketball.
As for Mulkey, she has one of the most talented rosters in college basketball.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:35 am to TrueTigerTale
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I will tell it to straight up with no BS. Matt is a good coach who knows how to win, but doesn’t know how to win consistently because he can’t keep his players in check. Kim knows how to get her players attention when she gets frustrated. Matt doesn’t seem to know how with his team. I don’t know if it’s due to a lack faith, trust or respect but it’s the truth
This is now two post in a row where you say McMahon is a good coach, and then every single thing you say after suggest he is a bad coach. Isn't it kind of telling that when asked to explain how he's a good coach, all you can do is say he's a good coach and then start naming areas he needs to improve?
Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:35 am to Alt26
quote:I think UK at home is our best chance. That's 3 games from now. I don't feel good about this week.
Winning one of the next 3 games where LSU will be a significant underdog would be a GREAT start to turning the evaluation around
Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:37 am to mcspufftiger7
“They are a few plays away from sweeping TAM and beating GA on the road. “
This is exactly my point, you’re not going to win enough games like these to be successful. Sure you’ll win a couple here and there but you’re never going to be consistent regardless of talent because you don’t do the things I listed well. You don’t have to be talented to take care of the ball or have good possessions and with 5 guys over 6-9, most of them top 100 recruits, for them not to be rebounding is coaching. The lack of these things are either not coached or they’re allowed. Either way it’s a coaching issue.
This is exactly my point, you’re not going to win enough games like these to be successful. Sure you’ll win a couple here and there but you’re never going to be consistent regardless of talent because you don’t do the things I listed well. You don’t have to be talented to take care of the ball or have good possessions and with 5 guys over 6-9, most of them top 100 recruits, for them not to be rebounding is coaching. The lack of these things are either not coached or they’re allowed. Either way it’s a coaching issue.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:37 am to Alt26
No not a bullshite mindset. It's one thing to have a coaching change. it's another to have a coaching change with the program under investigation and sanctions hovering over the program. His "best shooter" was coming off of ACL surgery. Yeah everyone hoped it would be competitive but it wasn't. Personally I don't care what his record was last year. really didn't matter. This year they have been more competitive and a few plays here and there and they sweep TAM and beat GA on the road and we aren't even having this conversation. I do agree he need to win some of those 50/50 games and hopefully they will step up here in the last part of the season. Maybe an upset of Ky at home would be a start but to act like he was on par with other coaches his first year is to ignore reality. Once the sanctions were lifted he was able to get commitments from 2 of the top players in the country. Coincidence? Like I said I will judge him by how he finishes this season and how they perform next year. People wanting him fired after year 1 are just idiots with no life.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:39 am to mcspufftiger7
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Wade was the same. A good coach but not great. What set him apart was his ability to recruit.
Complete and total bullshite. If you are paying attention to what is going on at McNeese, then not one single person should be able to sit here and say that Wade isn't an absolute top notch college basketball coach.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:39 am to rutiger
Not only that, Wade has way more wins than losses everywhere he's been.
Hell, he's taken arguably one of the worst ten programs OF ALL TIME at McNeese and has them at 22-3. Had Wade taken over the SAME EXACT situation McMahon did, we would be EXPONENTIALLY better than what we are now. But he's a cheater mommy!!!!!!
Like nobody else cheats. The fLuck outta here with that pussy BS.
Good coaches win consistently, less than good coaches don't. PERIOD.
People can bookmark this next statement, but I stand by it 100%. As long as he doesn't die or contract some crippling illness, Wade will win a national title SOMEWHERE. It may very well be at a Louisville or a Syracluse, but he'll do it. He's a Scott Drew clone, and he's only in his early 40s.
Hell, he's taken arguably one of the worst ten programs OF ALL TIME at McNeese and has them at 22-3. Had Wade taken over the SAME EXACT situation McMahon did, we would be EXPONENTIALLY better than what we are now. But he's a cheater mommy!!!!!!
Like nobody else cheats. The fLuck outta here with that pussy BS.
Good coaches win consistently, less than good coaches don't. PERIOD.
People can bookmark this next statement, but I stand by it 100%. As long as he doesn't die or contract some crippling illness, Wade will win a national title SOMEWHERE. It may very well be at a Louisville or a Syracluse, but he'll do it. He's a Scott Drew clone, and he's only in his early 40s.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:43 am to Hold That Tiger 10
These people just don’t live in reality.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:45 am to Hold That Tiger 10
Never said Wade wasn't a good coach just not a great coach . I remember over and over not being able to inbound the ball under the goal. It was ridiculous and was the brunt of jokes after a lot of games. Wade was a great recruiter and great recruits can overcome a lot. He rarely ran set plays . Didn't need to because he had superior athletes that could beat their defenders one on one and that was the goal of his offense. But when he did meet teams with the same talent they struggled to score sometimes and there wasn't much Wade did. These are just the facts whether you like them or not.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:48 am to tigahlovah
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But he's a cheater mommy!!!!!!
Like nobody else cheats. The fLuck outta here with that pussy BS.
The entire argument of he only won because he cheated should be dead in the water. You know McNeese isn't dishing out top dollar to get recruits. Wade doesn't make enough to dig it out his own pockets, which I'm sure he wouldn't do again anyway.
Wade gets specific players to fit what he wants to do and then pulls every single thing out of them. I don't think players like Smart, Easton, Reid would have been as good in college as they were without Wade. He's not just a good coach, he's a great coach. I've been beating this drum since he's at LSU, and we are witnessing it again at McNeese.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:54 am to mcspufftiger7
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Never said Wade wasn't a good coach just not a great coach
But he is a great coach.
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Wade was a great recruiter and great recruits can overcome a lot.
Wade overachieved compared to his recruiting. LSU didn't just simply out talent the SEC.
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He rarely ran set plays
You have no clue what you are talking about. You are showing basketball ignorance. No high level high school basketball team runs set play after set play. You have options within your offense, but it's not biddy basketball where you can just designate player A to throw it to player B, player B throw it to player C to shoot.
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need to because he had superior athletes that could beat their defenders one on one and that was the goal of his offense.
Again. LSU was not superior athletically to every team they played. McNeese damn sure isn't superior athletically to Michigan. And the goal of every damn offense is to beat your defender one on one.
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But when he did meet teams with the same talent they struggled to score sometimes and there wasn't much Wade did. These are just the facts whether you like them or not
So a team who was great defensively made it difficult for teams to score against them? Profound right here. Wade had extremely highly ranked offenses. That is a fact, whether you like it or not.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 9:57 am
Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:58 am to extremelsu
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took Murray state to the tournament 3 out 6 years. Found Ja morant as a nonstar prospec
Morant was found by accident by an assistant coach. McMahon didn't have to recruit him because Morant had exactly 1 offer...Murray State. Once again, giving him credit for Morant is like giving Curley Hallman credit for Brett Favre at S Miss. Favre had exactly 1 offer also. McMahon doesn't recruit well which shows up with the mediocre talent that he puts on the floor. Remember those multiple guys that came with McMahon from Murray State? Only K J Williams was worth squat. The others couldn't play in the SEC yet they started for Murray State.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 10:04 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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This is now two post in a row where you say McMahon is a good coach, and then every single thing you say after suggest he is a bad coach. Isn't it kind of telling that when asked to explain how he's a good coach, all you can do is say he's a good coach and then start naming areas he needs to improve?
I'll bring up a rare point that myself and only 1 other poster I've seen bring up. McMahon doesn't pull upsets. LSU is underdog in almost every single SEC game and out of 18 last season, he pulled one upset. This season, he has pulled 1 upset in the SEC. If you can't pull an occasional upset even with mediocre talent then you aren't doing your job as a basketball coach...pure and simple.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 10:11 am to TrueTigerTale
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Matt is a good coach who knows how to win, but doesn’t know how to win consistently because he can’t keep his players in check.
Read this a few times.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 10:17 am to Hold That Tiger 10
Wade was not a great coach. Put the pipe down. I am a Wade fan but also live in realsville. He went 8-10 in SEC his first year. Go back and look at who was on that team. He inherited talent. MM inherited nothing but a program under investigation and a cloud of sanctions. And a great coach doesn't go 9-9 in his 5th season. Wade was a good coach and a great recruiter. You act like that is a negative statement but it is a fact. I would love to still have him here but he's gone. get over it. And please stop with the Mcneese BS. All it takes is one player to make a difference in the worst conference in the country. He has that player. Yet still couldn't beat Southeastern. See even good coaches lose games they should win. And yes he has talent equal to the worst team in the Big 10, Michigan, which is a doormat right now.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 10:22 am to mcspufftiger7
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Wade was the same. A good coach but not great. What set him apart was his ability to recruit.
And develop
And scout
And promote his program
Posted on 2/13/24 at 10:30 am to mcspufftiger7
He inherited great talent from a team that had 2 sec wins the year before
He led the sec in wins over a 3 year period. If you can’t grasp that being great, nothing you say should ever be taken seriously
He led the sec in wins over a 3 year period. If you can’t grasp that being great, nothing you say should ever be taken seriously
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