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re: Matt McMahon has to be the most frustrated coach among the SEC
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:25 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:25 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
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Our best NCAAT run was the Sweet 16 in which Wade wasn't even the coach... our talent wasn't elite but our assistant coach brings us to the best NCAAT run we had since Brady??
Its amazing the antics and mental contortions you guys go through to belittle a good coach.
You, or fans like you, did the same when Saban lost to Iowa, and then left for Miami. He wasn't worth a crap. LSU made Saban, was the battle cry.
No Cred.
0
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:27 pm to Madking
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A lot of deflection in your post but the fact remains those players and more outperformed their ranking and you can go look at the other players in their classes to confirm it. For example Naz Reid was the 18th player in his class yet was top 8 in ppg and rpg. Just about every recruit had similar jumps vs their contemporaries.
not gonna argue with you again- zero deflection, just facts. Yes kentucky did outrank us (#4 vs #2 for example) but that's largely irrelevant. I was never comparing us to Kentucky, I was comparing our talent to our results.
Wade was a GOOD coach. He still underperformed relative to the talent he brought in. If you think 19-10 and round of 32 is acceptable with the #4 recruiting class then so be it.
2018- #4
2020- #4
2022- #8
All from that we got a Sweet 16 run where Wade wasn't even the coach, a round of 32 appearance, and a loss in round of 64 (even tho he wasn't the coach)..
If Wade was such a great coach and our talent wasn't super good, how did our ASSISTANT bring us to the best tournament performance we had under Wade's tenure???
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:27 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
We finished higher than we were picked every single season he was here. How is that underachieving? Freshman recruits aren’t the only measure of projecting success. Thats insane.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:28 pm to Madking
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How is that underachieving?
muh second highest NBA players per capita
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:31 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
Sorry you’re wrong, no need to act like a baby about it.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:33 pm to Madking
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How is that underachieving? Freshman recruits aren’t the only measure of projecting success. Thats insane.
On a serious note, yes it's not the only measure. But if we're consistently bringing in top 10 classes and building a winning program, surely we'd have more to show for it? Having more top 10 recruiting classes than NCAAT wins is insane. I've never once said Wade was a bad coach or that he was worse than McMahon, y'all just treat him like a god when in reality we could have had a lot more success in his time here. That's all I'm saying.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:33 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
Never said the talent wasn’t good but you insist on making things up for some reason.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:36 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
“Having more top 10 recruiting classes than NCAAT wins is insane.”
This is false, those players won more NCAA tourney games than we had top 10 classes.
This is false, those players won more NCAA tourney games than we had top 10 classes.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:38 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
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Our best NCAAT run was the Sweet 16 in which Wade wasn't even the coach... our talent wasn't elite but our assistant coach brings us to the best NCAAT run we had since Brady?? Our 2018 ranked number 4 recruiting class overperformed despite being a top 16 team in the country? #4 ranked recruiting class going 19-10 in the regular season and only making it to the second round??? CLEARLY our talent OVERPERFORMED.
This is a great post to point out how clueless our fans are. That class had 8 commits and an average recruit rank of 93.76. Kentuckys was 99.36. If Wade underperforms, then coach Cal and coach K should’ve been fired years ago.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:39 pm to nicholastiger
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Promote the program
Get in the community and drum up interest
He spoke at Rotary last year. Nice guy, approachable, yet he had the energy of a banana slug
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:42 pm to Madking
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This is false, those players won more NCAA tourney games than we had top 10 classes.
I specifically said WADE had more top 10 recruiting classes than NCAAT wins. I'm not counting the games where he wasn't the coach. Those wins go to the assistant and it can be shown on sportsreference or any similar sight.
Our best NCAAT run was when Wade wasn't even coaching. Sure he brought the players in but they didn't even need him during the tournament to produce the best run since Brady.
And to respond to another poster, yes I know Kentucky had a bad year around the same time. I promise their fans weren't pleased either.
Looking at the big picture, I do think Wade's tenure was overall successful and good for LSU. I do still think he underachieved RELATIVE to the talent he brought in. He did not underachieve relative to LSU. Since you like to make distinctions in argument Madking I would hope you would realize that was the scope under which I was arguing. Regardless, I'm done arguing and I hope you have a good rest of your day. Let's get this win against Florida. Happy Mardi Gras.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:45 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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But a down Michigan team should still beat a team of McNeese's caliber by just showing up.
Nope, basketball doesn't work off reputations.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:45 pm to Tigerfan14
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That class had 8 commits and an average recruit rank of 93.76. Kentuckys was 99.36.
We aren't playing Kentucky in the 2nd round of the NCAAT though. The team we lost to actually had worse recruiting than us over those past couple of years. Go figure.
Bringing in Kentucky is so irrelevant and a red herring.
Fr tho I'm done. I'll be back around tipoff.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:49 pm to extremelsu
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Yeah he’s just starting to get SEC talent.
There is a huge inconsistency. If he had SEC caliber talent he wouldn't be headed towards an SEC losing season which he is. He also wouldn't have lost to Nichols St. LSU has below SEC caliber talent at his point...hence LSU will finish about 10th in the SEC.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:50 pm to Tigerfan14
quote:Coach K is retired but has several rings. Caligari on the other hand... yeah he routinely underperforms and or has missed on recruiting of late.
If Wade underperforms, then coach Cal and coach K should’ve been fired years ago.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:51 pm to NotaStarGazer
quote:Are you of the impression that other SEC teams don't have SEC talent?
There is a huge inconsistency. If he had SEC caliber talent he wouldn't be headed towards and SEC losing season which he is.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:56 pm to mmcgrath
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Are you of the impression that other SEC teams don't have SEC talent?
Nnnnnnnoooo, to have SEC caliber talent by definition, you should finish around .500 in the SEC. LSU didn't do that last season and won't this season. As I've said, looks like LSU will finish about 10th...really between 9th and 12th. Missouri and Vanderbilt don't even seem to have Southland Conference talent....maybe not even SWAC talent.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:59 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
So you’re jumping back and forth between “talent” and “Wade’s NCAA wins” by using games he didn’t coach in to discredit him and say the TEAMS underachieved. What you’re saying is false.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 2/13/24 at 1:26 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
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mcmaniacinsaneasylum
Who has done a better job developing players on campus? Wade or McMonotone?
Posted on 2/13/24 at 1:27 pm to Madking
Wade was a good coach with great recruiting. When I say coach I mean X's and O's. He wasn't great. He was a great evaluator of talent. He was a promoter of the program and his players loved to play for him. But he wasn't a good coach when it came to X's and O's in my opinion. As I stated previously we literally could not inbound the ball under our own goal. Why people assume that is diminishing Wade is ridiculous. You don't have to be a great coach in the Southland Conference. All you need is better talent which he has this year. A good coach with better talent. Had he stayed longer at LSU and continued to win especially a few more SEC championships then he may have become a great coach. Maybe as time goes on he becomes more proficient with that part the game. Dale Brown is a perfect example. Great recruiter. Great motivator. Great promoter of the program. But not a great coach yet he achieved way more than Wade has. Why? Because he could recruit and had assistant coaches that could recruit. He may have also been greasing the wheels like Wade was but at least he had a bag man. LOL.
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