re: Matt McMahon has to be the most frustrated coach among the SEC

Will Wade gone, let it go!!! He's not coming back. He left McMahon with nothing but a mess.

Wade did an amazing job getting the excitement around the program sky high from the day he walked onto campus to the day he left, year in and year out. Fans loved it, media and blue bloods hated it. He recruited high level players like no other coach before him and many (not all) were also dogs that competed. After his first season of getting embarrassed on the rebound side of things he made it a priority to drill on it and get players with the want to. After 4 years of getting scored on at will he made it a priority to improve. It was a great 5 year run by any standard but especially coming off the blah years previous. However I definitely recall this board constantly complaining about not playing defense, or when we did we weren't elite offensively, or we got out worked in some form or out smarted in another form. He wasn't an elite coach but he showed the ability to make changes to improve weak areas and I think with time he would have been able to put it all together for a well rounded run consistently.

McMahon is no where near the "energizer" of the program that Will was. Not sure if his level of recruiting can or will approach Will's either but may be too soon. And it might be too early to really tell if his coaching will continue upwards - he has made improvements over his first season, can he take another big step next year is the question? He has improved 100 spots on both offense and defensive efficiency, but plenty more improvement left to do.

Year Coach O-Eff D-Eff Reb Rk
23-24 MM 120 157 125
22-23 MM 219 255 136
21-22 WW 176 4 66
20-21 WW 10 229 35
19-20 WW 4 230 19
18-19 WW 28 131 25
17-18 WW 34 259 254
16-17 JJ 197 117 140

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Wouldn't him failing through year 3 just prove correct the people who wanted to dump him after year

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Though I believe McMahon is a good coach, year three is an important marker for him to show improvement and consistency in his team. Everyone should be able to agree with that.

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How many times in the last 20 years has Murray St. finished at or below .500 in conference? Answer: twice

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murray state has made the tournament 7 times in the past 20 years. 3 of those are McMahon

Ugh

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My issue is with the idiots who spend 24/7 bashing Mcmahon because they hate Woodward.

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I think LSU is damn lucky to have Woodward. I think he's a great AD. I also rarely bash McMahon, although I am not very hopeful for the future under him. I want LSU to be successful.

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Wanting him fired after year 1 proved they were idiots

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I've said on numerous occasions that next year is make or break. If there isn't a big turn around next season, he clearly isn't the guy.


So many of you just throw everybody into the above camp though, like you just did, when I say anything pro Wade. I don't pretend to know everything that happened behind the scenes that led to his firing. I will say that if we could have kept Wade the result would have been the same sanctions, and wades same restrictions, we would 100% been better off keeping him. Again, I don't know the full story, nor does anybody who argues the other side like they know, just to try to prove their point.

Everybody that speaks positively about Wade is lumped into one group, when the vast majority actually lies in a similar camp as I do probably.

Facts

He was also there 2 more seasons than any of his predecessors in that same span.

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So you’re jumping back and forth between “talent” and “Wade’s NCAA wins” by using games he didn’t coach in to discredit him and say the TEAMS underachieved. What you’re saying is false.

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Using both as evidence to prove my point

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We treat him with respect because we have been fans for decades. We have seen the struggles by all the SEC, not named Kentucky, and understand the difficulty of building a championship program.
Which SEC coaches have built and maintained a dominant program.
Just when it appeared we had that Coach, along came Woody.
He was young, exciting, the players liked him, and it appeared he would be here long enough to build a solid program.
Then along came Woody.

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All of this!!!

People who watched LSU and SEC basketball year in and year out (not just years when LSU is competitive) understand how rare it is to get the consistency we had at LSU under Wade.

Let this sink in, people were complaining two years ago about Wade's team that ultimately received a 6th seed in the Tournament. Now, we shooting for 6 wins in the conference and not being in the bottom four of the league.

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Neither of these statements contradict anything I said.. please find where I said Wade was a bad coach. Just because I say he wasn't the best Xs and Os coach y'all get upset. If I said Wade is a good coach even with him not being the best Xs and Os wise, that means you can be a good coach with your Xs and Os lacking.

Listen, it took until the fourth game I went to when I was younger to actually see a win, and all the games I went to were OOC, so put two and two together. I was a student at LSU during Wade's tenure. I love Will Wade. Just because I can be realistic about his tenure doesn't mean I hate the guy or realize how hard it is for LSU to win. I disagree with nothing either of you said. I want nothing more than LSU to win and have a good program and I know Wade got us super close to that.