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The stupidity on here is amazing. How many ACC teams made the NCAA? 4
So Wade is going to a basketball school in a much easier conference. If LSU was in the ACC they win more than 5 games. It's really not that hard to understand.
So "decent" talent is good enough in this league. Who's the idiot? Reed was their most important player. Chest, Collins, VMiller, BMiller and Givens had almost zero college experience and Vmiller was hurt at beginning of the season and end of the season as was Chest.. Baily is a good piece but not an SEC starter. Williams was good off the bench but even he is not SEC starting caliber yet. Sears is a 2 guard and Cam maybe the only player that could start on an SEC team. As I said MM hasn't shown he can produce in the portal but to compete in this SEC with that team he should have been blown out in EVERY game 1st and second half.. Not sure what happened with Ward but he would have been an important piece from a scoring stand point even though he was weak on defense. Not saying he hasn't made mistakes coaching. So did Wade but Wade had superior talent that helped offset those mistakes. If you want to criticize his performance in the portal I'm all over that. But to act like this team had the talent to beat most of the teams in the SEC this year is delusional.
If you can't see the talent difference between LSU and the other teams in the SEC then not much I can say to you. Other than a few blowouts, this team has played with some of the best teams in the country for 30 or more minutes. Can't do that with the lack of talent we have unless you can coach some. Dale Brown was considered by some to be a bad coach but he recruited great talent and went to the final 4 twice. Once without a center. Go look at the rotations of every SEC team and look at the maturity and experience they had. It is about talent. They were in the games late against Auburn, AL, FL, TAM, Miss St and Ole Miss who plays 10 seniors.. They did not have the depth or maturity to beat those sr and jr heavy teams. Especially without Reed, Ward and then Chest and V Miller. And he did it without an SEC caliber PG. It is what it is. It's on him to improve that talent but saying we lost those games just due to coaching is laughable.
LSU Basketball Golden Age was when dale Brown was the coach. At that time baseball was an after thought. Dale had his limitation coaching but was an incredible recruiter and we pretty much knew we were going to the dance every year. After that is was hit and miss but we were never a "championship pedigree" basketball school. We became that in football and baseball. We had a short run with Brady and another in Wade before he was fired. No guarantee Wade wouldn't have become another Bardy but we'll never know. LSU with the right coach could become a regular powerhouse in NCAA basketball much like Saban got us started with football and Bertman with baseball. So there are those who were pissed Wade was fired even though LSU didn't have much choice at the time considering football was being held hostage. LSUnasketball will rebound again as we always do but need to find a coach that can win for the long haul like Brown did in the 80's but in a much stronger basketball conference.
Good coches still need talent. Where MM has failed in my opinion is he has yet to recruit an SEC caliber PG. Losing Reed didn't help and then Chest later in the season decimated their size and affected their ability to rebound. They got better on the TO numbers on the back half of the season but they are lacking scorers on this team and Reed and later V Miler going down didn't help with that either. They were also the youngest and most inexperienced team in the SEC this year. Ole Miss has 10 seniors playing. That is a huge difference. Needs to change next year. If not he'll be gone.
LSU is a football school first and a baseball school 2nd. They are considered championship pedigree programs.Basketball has always been an in and out program regardless of the stats you posted. I believe it has the potential to be a consistently relevant program but we have never been able to find that coach since Dale Brown who had the longest successful tenure. Brady had a run but then petered out. Wade was on his way but got fired. No guarantee he wouldn't have ended up like Brady but we don't know. LSU has the national brand to attract a great coach but our facilities are behind a lot of other schools. NIL $$$ will be imperative and looks like they may be willing to address that now but let's not act like we are Kentucky.

Good coaches vs great recruiters

Posted by mcspufftiger7 on 3/17/25 at 9:36 am
t is interesting to watch the various camps try to defend their positions on who a great coach is. Dale Brown, one of the most successful coaches in the history of LSU, was not a great coach. And I say that as a Brown fan. He was a great recruiter and literally signed 2 of the greatest players in the history of basketball in Jackson and Oneal. He was a master motivator but you have Oneal and Jackson on the same team and can't win the Natty?I feel the same way about Wade. He was not a great coach he was a good coach that recruited superior talent. And I say that as a Wade fan. Doesn't mean he can't become great coach. He is young and coaches, like players, can develop. Who knows where he would have been with a few more years at LSU.MM is a good coach but has not mastered the recruiting portal yet. That been his biggest weakness. His team this year competed in many games they probably shouldn't have even been in based on the talent gap and maybe if he was a great coach could have won a few of those. And anyone saying the $$$ doesn't matter is just being foolish. If they keep him then he has next year to get to the tourney or they fire him. But at least they will fire him after giving him the financial resources to get the players he needs. That is where he needs to develop as a coach in this new pay for play era. If he can't do that then he won't be successful anywhere in P5.
I could care less whether they keep MM but I still have to laugh at these comparisons between Mcneese and LSU at this time. So LSU lost to Miss St at State without Reed and Chest and then lost Miller to an ankle injury in the 1st half. it was till a 7 point game with 2 min left and ended up losing by 12. Then they play them in SECT without Reed, Chest and V Miller and Sears turns his ankle in the second half. yes they got blown out but it ain't apples and oranges. Take Mcneese best player, best rebounder an #3 scoring option off the team and they get blown out. You can criticize MM without making stupid statements.
Disagree with this statement. Once the show cause is gone he will be one of the top candidates for just about any job. he has won everywhere he has been and there are plenty of schools who will take a calculated risk with hiring him based on that record. especially when now everyone is paying players. Not saying he is an elite coach yet but he is phenomenal recruiter and that is half the battle these days.
Or it saved a football program that is the KEY to everything else. You just can't lay this at the feet of the administration when:

He paid a players GF out of his own account
He lied to his employer about it and then lawyered up
The powers that be were going to force LSU to fire him or suffer the consequence

Easy for you to comment when you aren't responsible for a multi million dollar athletic dept that is under investigation.

It sucked but it is what it is. Would love to have him back but this constant obsession with Wade is delusional.
I understand. You're immature dweebs who can't get over it. I was a Wade fan but I damn sure not gonna be on here bitching about him being fired 3 years later. But then I'm a full grown man with a life.
If Kyle Williams can teach what he knows and what he did to be a future NFL HOF then he will be fine. With Peeples and Baker there to help he'll be successful. Not to mention what he learned from his DL coaches while at LSU and NFL..
Trying to be objective on this site is useless. If you want to criticize MM on his portal transfers you have some argument. He has been terrible with PG. We have not had a true SEC level PG since he has been there. That has been his biggest weakness in my opinion.This was one of the youngest most inexperienced teams in the SEC, That is a fact. You can blame MM for that but it is a statistical fact. That is why the loss of Reed was so big. That and your only other post player was a freshman. Fountain is a bench player. Losing ward was also huge. If Ward wasn't strong enough to stay and compete then that is on him. So I would say that with what MM had as far as experienced talent and what he he did with that against much more talented and experienced teams was commendable. They did have a few blowouts but they were in the game late with TAM, AL, MISS ST. OM, Vand, FL , TN and Auburn. Admit he made a few mistakes at end of OM game that they should have won but if Chest doesn't get the tech and miss the easy dunk they win. So he wa able to compete with less talent and younger talent. That is all good and fine but since he is coming back he is going to have to do like Kelly and killl it in the portal to give his incoming freshmen time to develop. If he doesn't then it is time to make a change.
There is a lot of criticism to go around but sayin MM mailed it in at KY when he was without Reed, Chest and V Miller is just stupid. Chest is one of your best rebounder and rim protectors and Vmiller is basically your 2nd or 3rd scoring option on this team. This team needs maturity more than anything else. KY started 4 seniors and a junior. That is the main difference in the 2 teams. LSU was down 7 with 2 minutes left against Miss St on the road without reed,Chest and VMiller who got hurt in the 1st half. So to say MM can't coach is ridiculous. Never said he was perfect but he has done a reasonable job with what he has, They have been in almost every game with ranked teams at home and away. They do not have the maturity and experience to win most of those games. Especially without Reed and Ward much less Vmiller and Chest who have been hurt on and off all year.. MM needs to get some big physical guards in his system. That 6'4" 220 lb guard that KY has was physically dominating Carter the whole game. Givens may end up being a good PG but you need some post presence which we had with Reed and BMiller showed some promise as the season went on. The portal will decide whether LSU is successful next year. It it is a repeat of this year then he needs to go.
I agree with that. I know some freshmen take longer to develop than others but he has shown no improvement. Not sure where the 4 star came from. That has been MM biggest weakness his entire time here. No SEC caliber starting PG. If he doesn't fix that next year he will be gone for sure.
So kentucky injuries equals slump but Reed, Chest and V Miller out. Not a factor.Got it.
Tre's play was more impactful and important but wasn't better. This was more difficult as it required 2 people and more importantly 2 people who have just started playing together which made it that much more impressive.

re: No State Taxes on NIL

Posted by mcspufftiger7 on 2/26/25 at 8:42 pm
Knew this was coming after Ohio passed it. Can’t believe the people in Ohio were for that. Pissses me off that people getting $100,000 + don’t have to pay a penny while we get raped.
And anyone who doesn't think that both Millers and Collins have been developing is just an ignorant hater. Givens still has a ways to go but is better than he was at the beginning of the year. If MM can keep these guys and add his 2026 class and go get a couple of SEC caliber PG and shooting guards and another Big to compliment Reed and a hopefully stronger BMiller, they will have the talent to move up the SEC. This team is literally Reed and a true SEC PG away from 5-6 more wins. It's MM job to get it there by next year or find someone else who can.
There will be more money thrown at Collins than Chest. Collins is starting to develop his game with the 3 and the mid range jumper. Anyone paying that kind of money for chest, good luck.