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Posted on 8/8/23 at 4:47 pm to Buga225
Let’s hope not.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 4:55 pm to nicholastiger
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The only issue with Wade was that he was dumb enough to get caught unlike the other head coaches involved.
How the hell was he " dumb enough " to get caught. Why should he have known the guy he was talking to was under FBI surveillance? Some of you people post this over and over and its absurd. The fact is at this point the NCAA has not PROVEN a single violation by Wade at LSU.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 9:58 am to timlan2057
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If Cook isn’t eligible this team is in trouble.
You got the downvotes for whatever reason but this isnt wrong.
Cook was always expected to be the starting PG for this team, he's the only true ball handling assist guy on this roster.
Stewart from Santa Clara is a scoring small guard, averaged just 2.3 assists a game last season there. Wright and Hannibal are not going to be running the offense much if any at all and the true freshman Mike Williams isnt a true PG either, he's a scoring guard who doesnt dish it out much.
So if Cook isnt eligible we are going to have nobody to really run the offense in a good way that just isnt looking to score themselves. Which is fine when you have guys who can really score/light it up at times, but not sure any of those guys fit that alpha role.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 10:22 am to tigersbb
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How the hell was he " dumb enough " to get caught. Why should he have known the guy he was talking to was under FBI surveillance?
Someone in the know in the athletic dept used the following analogy with me. He said WW was given the keys to a Ferrari when he had just graduated from a learners permit to a driver’s license. He just didn’t have the wisdom that comes with experience to handle the job. Not the actual coaching piece. The piece where you skirt the edges of the rules without getting caught and crashing the car.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 10:53 am to thunderbird1100
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You got the downvotes for whatever reason but this isnt wrong.
Cook was always expected to be the starting PG for this team, he's the only true ball handling assist guy on this roster.
Stewart from Santa Clara is a scoring small guard, averaged just 2.3 assists a game last season there. Wright and Hannibal are not going to be running the offense much if any at all and the true freshman Mike Williams isnt a true PG either, he's a scoring guard who doesnt dish it out much.
So if Cook isnt eligible we are going to have nobody to really run the offense in a good way that just isnt looking to score themselves. Which is fine when you have guys who can really score/light it up at times, but not sure any of those guys fit that alpha role.
While it wouldn't be ideal, I think Stewart could handle the role of PG if he had to. He had 10 assists in the first exhibition game. And it's not as if Cook is exactly a pass-first PG. He took a ton of shots of his own as well. The problem is there is no one behind Stewart except Williams now...who is injured.
Outside of Waters, LSU didn't really have a true PG under Wade. Smart was always a combo guard. As was Pinson. LSU had even more efficient offenses with Smart at the point than Waters. So you can have a great offense without necessarily having a traditional PG.
That said, Cook was clearly brought in to be LSU's primary PG. If there is a source of optimism for this team it is that a backcourt combo of Cook/Stewart is going to be significantly better than last year. Again, questionable competition, but Stewart has looked the part thus far.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 10:58 am to Wiseguy
quote:That someone in the know should have been helping set up a system to help instead of calling Wade naive.
Someone in the know in the athletic dept used the following analogy with me. He said WW was given the keys to a Ferrari
LSU’s last season prior to Wade… 2-16 in the SEC.
LSU’s first season post Wade… 2-16 in the SEC.
Ferrari. Lmao.
And before people get butthurt, no one brought up Wade until Chinhojones. Not a single wade-a-file, lol.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 11:08 am
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:04 am to Wiseguy
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He said WW was given the keys to a Ferrari when he had just graduated from a learners permit to a driver’s license. He just didn’t have the wisdom that comes with experience to handle the job
I'd guess that would be Woodward.
It appears Wade was forced to give the keys to the Ferrari to an apprentice.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 11:15 am
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:06 am to thunderbird1100
What was the final score
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:06 am to drizztiger
BTW, Wade lost 33 SEC games in 5 years. We’ve lost one less — record of 4-32 SEC in the last 2 seasons not coached by Wade.
Ferrari. Seriously I can’t stop laughing at that nonsense.
Ferrari. Seriously I can’t stop laughing at that nonsense.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:26 am to Wiseguy
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He just didn’t have the wisdom that comes with experience to handle the job. Not the actual coaching piece. The piece where you skirt the edges of the rules without getting caught and crashing the car.
This is obvious with how terribly he handled keeping things under wraps, but the Ferrari piece is hilarious. The facilities were falling apart and he was potentially paying recruits with his own money. Ed Orgeron was handed a Ferrari. Wade was handed a ‘99 Honda Civic and tried to turn it into a race car himself.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 11:46 am to Tigerfan14
quote:No, both descriptions are off.
This is obvious with how terribly he handled keeping things under wraps, but the Ferrari piece is hilarious. The facilities were falling apart and he was potentially paying recruits with his own money. Ed Orgeron was handed a Ferrari. Wade was handed a ‘99 Honda Civic and tried to turn it into a race car himself.
Wade didn't get a new Ferrari, and it wasn't a Civic either.
What he got was like an old, classic sportscar in a barn; like a Cobra or yes, a classic old Ferrari. Yes, it requires a lot of work and rebuilding, but the potential is there. Dale Brown, and everyone since, has had NCAA tourney teams, that challenged for or won the SEC at least once.
The program is back up on blocks getting rebuilt again, but there's no reason to say McMahon CAN'T get it going. Maybe he WON'T, but that's different.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:29 pm to Wiseguy
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Someone in the know in the athletic dept used the following analogy with me. He said WW was given the keys to a Ferrari when he had just graduated from a learners permit to a driver’s license. He just didn’t have the wisdom that comes with experience to handle the job. Not the actual coaching piece. The piece where you skirt the edges of the rules without getting caught and crashing the car.
but wade barely got shite, it was LSU that punished him, the NCAA gave him 10 games and he is literally coaching today
Posted on 8/9/23 at 12:56 pm to timlan2057
quote:It's like a vacation for the team. Wouldn't you rather play at a resort in the Bahamas, than some place in the US? It's like a reward after the summer workouts. McMahon does get to evaluate his players some in a game situation, but I don't think he will really learn much due to the level of competition.
Can’t they find better facilities at which to play these things? It’s like those shite gyms the women played in during Hawaii last season.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:09 pm to Buga225
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:21 pm to Tigerfan14
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This is obvious with how terribly he handled keeping things under wraps, but the Ferrari piece is hilarious. The facilities were falling apart and he was potentially paying recruits with his own money. Ed Orgeron was handed a Ferrari. Wade was handed a ‘99 Honda Civic and tried to turn it into a race car himself.
I can't believe this has to be said over and over again, but what Wade was doing was how business must be done if you want to try to be a true championship contender. Should it be that way? No. But great HS players are a valuable commodity to colleges, shoe companies, etc. They know that. More importantly others (AAU "coaches", middle-men, various "uncles") know that as well. They also know college basketball is a multi-million dollar business in which they are the most important "employees". Thus, they seek to maximize their monetary value.
The oft repeated mantra on here is that Wade was "sloppy". However, no one seems to comprehend the fact that the way he was caught was UNPRECEDENTED in the history of college basketball. Never before had the FBI/DOJ found it necessary, or even worthwhile, to investigate college basketball recruiting. EVER. Thus, the suggestion that any coach should have anticipated any of the hundreds of calls he makes on a yearly basis to various middle-men, runners, stepfathers, etc may be subject to wire-tap surveillance by the FBI is absurd. The overall absurdity of the investigation was laid to bare when despite all of the initial pomp, circumstance, and grandstanding done by the DOJ and media, the entire episode resulted in a few very minimal criminal sentences for things that were very minor "crimes." In fact, I wonder how many people on this board actually know how the whole investigation started. It stemmed from a ham and egg "financial advisor" in Pittsburgh who was defrauding pro athletes out of money. It initially had nothing to do with college basketball.
But, perhaps most relevant to this discussion, is after 3 years of journalist repeating the same article from 2019, the NCAA (IARP) never proved he paid any players or that the "strong arse offer" was a monetary offer (even though we all know it was). Wade was found "guilty" of paying a former VCU player's girlfriend "hush money" in an extortion attempt and communicating with a friend of Kavell Bigby-Williams as part of KBW's recruitment.
The entire investigation (not just into Wade) was a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY! One conducted SOLELY for purposes of publicity by the US Attorney of the Southern District of NY. The public didn't care about some bozo from Pittsburgh. But when the SDNY saw the publicity "taking down college basketball" could bring, they happily sought that attention. Not surprisingly, they fell well short of fundamentally changing college basketball which they and the media swore would be the outcome.
Ultimately, though, Wade is gone, and this SHOULD be a thread about the current team playing games in the Bahamas. I think a discussion there would probably be a bit more relevant than the usual, often erroneous on both sides of the argument, discussion about the merits of Wade.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:02 pm to Tigerpride18
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What was the final score
120-59
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:09 pm to mmcgrath
Tomorrows game should be a bit more competitive than yesterday's. Obras Argentina dropped 89 on Creighton, so they have the ability to score a bit.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 2:22 pm to Aforem7
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Tomorrows game should be a bit more competitive than yesterday's. Obras Argentina dropped 89 on Creighton, so they have the ability to score a bit.
Maybe.
They were blasted by South Carolina 106-67
On a side note, the Puerto Rico national team is only trailing Iowa St by 9 at the half. LSU was up 20 at the half a few days ago before apparently trying to throw the game in the 3rd quarter.
This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 8/9/23 at 3:00 pm to Aforem7
I can't find real time information and very little post game information. What site are you using?
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