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re: Lsu basketball Bahamas
Posted on 8/11/23 at 9:44 am to Alt26
Posted on 8/11/23 at 9:44 am to Alt26
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But if Wright can give you consistent production as a backup "2" that could be big. He probably has just enough size to play the 3 spot, but LSU also has Wilkinson there along with Ward...who I think is poised to be the breakout player on this team
Are you saying you don’t think Jordan Wright is a starter on this team? He started 52 games the last two seasons at Vandy. I don’t think he transferred to come off the bench.
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Posted on 8/11/23 at 9:48 am to Mats86
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Last years team would have come in and likely gone 3-0 against this competition as well.
Maybe. Though Puerto Rico probably would have been a tough out. You obviously can't get a great predictive picture based upon the level of competition. However, you can argue LSU did what good teams should do to bad teams...beat the hell out of them. Games 2-3 were never close
The game vs Puerto Rico didn't look like it was going to be close either. LSU led by 20 at the half. Compare that to Iowa St v. PR (ISU led by 9 at half) and A&M v PR (A&M led by 6). LSU just had an epically bad 3rd quarter to allow PR to gain the lead, ultimately resulting in a very close comeback win for LSU.
The only potentially predictive evidence you can take from the week is comparing LSU's performance to that of the other US teams. In that regard, LSU was equal to 3 other teams who are all projected to be NCAAT caliber teams this year. If you want to be optimistic, that's your basis.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 9:53 am to tigahlovah
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Anybody paying attention and with a functioning brain realizes (especially now) he should still be LSU's HC.
You are assuming LSU would have received the same penalties in both football and basketball had they not fired Wade. I don’t think that’s a reasonable assumption. The football team ended up with a penalty that is mostly ceremonial, but was still overly harsh relative to LSU’s actual role in the violation. It’s not inconceivable they would have received material penalties in football had they come across having a cavalier attitude about rules violations. Wade was sacrificed to protect the football program.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 9:58 am to Choupique19
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Are you saying you don’t think Jordan Wright is a starter on this team? He started 52 games the last two seasons at Vandy. I don’t think he transferred to come off the bench.
Some guys will have to come off the bench, I can see scenarios where Ward, Wilkinson or Wright come off the bench, not all 3 will start.
If Cook is eligible he's your starting PG with Stewart off the bench IMO, if he isnt then Stewart is starting PG. Depending how Ward progresses if he plays like a 5-star this year he'll start the 2/3 while Wright IMO starts the other spot. If Ward only progresses some then probably Wright and Wilk are your starters at the 2/3.
Personally I've always seen Wilkinson more as a bench guy because of how little offense he provides even if he's a great defender thats what you like to see off the bench usually to put on a hot guy on the other team. For this to happen though Ward needs to take that next step.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 9:59 am to Choupique19
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Are you saying you don’t think Jordan Wright is a starter on this team? He started 52 games the last two seasons at Vandy. I don’t think he transferred to come off the bench.
Cook nor Stewart transferred following all conference performances at their old schools to come off the bench either. Those two are probably your starting backcourt. So does Wright slot in at the 3? Maybe. But you also have Wilkinson and Ward there as well. Ward gives you more length, height and bounce at that spot. For a team where defense (IMO) is the biggest question mark going into the season, he (and/or Wilkinson) might be the better option at the 3 from that perspective.
Even though Wright has a ton of experience, he only started 50% of the games last year at Vandy. Still, he averaged 25 minutes. I don't think coming off the bench for him would be a big deal. I also think who "starts" probably isn't all that important. Wright is going to play significant minutes at both the 2 and 3 spots. His versatility should give McMahon options for different line ups.
This post was edited on 8/11/23 at 10:00 am
Posted on 8/11/23 at 10:04 am to MikeTheTiger71
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You are assuming LSU would have received the same penalties in both football and basketball had they not fired Wade. I don’t think that’s a reasonable assumption.
IT's perfectly reasonable, because the football and basketball stuff were not even close to being related, it was separate cases, not together.
I know we all like to think the NCAA is just this vindictive organization but they arent stupid and cant justify punishing one sport for the unrelated transgressions of another. Basketball violations were directly by the coach where the football violations had nothing to do with any coach and nothing to with basketball at all. IT would have been kept separate.
What you could have said was we dont know what would have happened had we not fired Wade as I think THAT'S a reasonable question mark surrounding the punishment around basketball. It's feasible they thought us firing Wade meant we didnt need as harsh a punishment because we took action before they had to. This doesnt mean had we kept him the punishment definitely would be worse, just means thats a way more logical argument than "but they could have destroyed football for basketball stuff" which makes zero sense.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 10:07 am to Alt26
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Cook nor Stewart transferred following all conference performances at their old schools to come off the bench either. Those two are probably your starting backcourt. So does Wright slot in at the 3? Maybe. But you also have Wilkinson and Ward there as well. Ward gives you more length, height and bounce at that spot. For a team where defense (IMO) is the biggest question mark going into the season, he (and/or Wilkinson) might be the better option at the 3 from that perspective.
I see Stewart backing up Cook, if Cook is even eligible which seems more and more like he wont be, in that case, Stewart starts the 1 because we simply dont have any other option there. Even with Cook starting the 1, I think Stewart is a bench guy his first year here spelling Cook and some other guards. Wright just has way more size and thats a guy you want out there especially with his experience in the SEC.
Cook and Stewart both starting presents a miniscule sized backcourt which doesnt usually play well in the SEC.
This post was edited on 8/11/23 at 10:09 am
Posted on 8/11/23 at 10:18 am to thunderbird1100
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Cook and Stewart both starting presents a miniscule sized backcourt which doesnt usually play well in the SEC.
Flashbacks of Hickey and Stringer
Posted on 8/11/23 at 10:19 am to thunderbird1100
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IT's perfectly reasonable, because the football and basketball stuff were not even close to being related, it was separate cases, not together.
That’s not true. The two cases were merged together in the final phase. It was being viewed as an institutional control issue and any actions displaying lack of control or lack of concern related to violations in either sport had the potential to impact the other in the final outcome.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 10:28 am to MikeTheTiger71
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That’s not true. The two cases were merged together in the final phase. It was being viewed as an institutional control issue and any actions displaying lack of control or lack of concern related to violations in either sport had the potential to impact the other in the final outcome.
They were sent to the IARP as separate cases, they were ruled on separately. We heard about the punishments at completely separate times. If they were tied together then they wouldnt have been ruled on at completely different times.
The NCAA is not out to punish 1 program for the transgressions of another. It makes zero sense to do that.
This post was edited on 8/11/23 at 10:33 am
Posted on 8/11/23 at 10:33 am to thunderbird1100
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They were sent to the IARP as separate cases, they were ruled on separately. We heard about the punishments at completely separate times. If they were tied together then they wouldnt have been ruled on at completely different times.
They were not sent separately and the ruling came out in one release. See the link below.
IARP Ruling
Posted on 8/11/23 at 10:37 am to MikeTheTiger71
Fair enough, but again, they were seen as 2 separate cases still in terms of penalties being ruled on. One was not going to affect the other as again NCAA doesnt do stuff like that.
The true measure of "what might have happened" otherwise is if we kept Wade what would the NCAA/IARP had done to basketball, it would have not affected football at all. However, the NCAA/IARP could have seen that as a blatant "they dont give a shite" and maybe gave harsher penalties for basketball. If we got slapped with some thing like LOIC they arent putting any punishment on other programs, it would just be probation for the athletic department as a whole basically like the Reggie Bush/USC thing, which isnt really any punishment for other sports. Just putting the whole AD on notice essentially.
The true measure of "what might have happened" otherwise is if we kept Wade what would the NCAA/IARP had done to basketball, it would have not affected football at all. However, the NCAA/IARP could have seen that as a blatant "they dont give a shite" and maybe gave harsher penalties for basketball. If we got slapped with some thing like LOIC they arent putting any punishment on other programs, it would just be probation for the athletic department as a whole basically like the Reggie Bush/USC thing, which isnt really any punishment for other sports. Just putting the whole AD on notice essentially.
This post was edited on 8/11/23 at 10:40 am
Posted on 8/11/23 at 10:42 am to thunderbird1100
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Fair enough, but again, they were seen as 2 separate cases still in terms of penalties being ruled on. One was not going to affect the other as again NCAA doesnt do stuff like that.
I don’t think you understand how the IARP works. It was set up EXACTLY to do just that. There’s a very specific reason they were reviewed together and the ruling was issued as a single “case decision”. It was one case in the eyes of the IARP.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 11:13 am to thunderbird1100
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ook and Stewart both starting presents a miniscule sized backcourt which doesnt usually play well in the SEC.
Alabama's backcourt last season was Sears (6'1) and Bradley (6'3), with Quinerly (6'1) playing starters minutes.
Auburn won the SEC two years ago with their primary backcourt being Green (5'11) and Johnson (6'1).
Kansas St. fell just short of the Final Four with a backcourt of Nowell (5'7) and Sills (6'1)
Cook is listed at (6'0) and Stewart is (6'2)
LSU fans have PTSD from the Hickey/Stringer days. They still swear their height was reason LSU struggled. It wasn't. Trent Johnson was the reason that team struggled.
You can win with a "small" but dynamic backcourt in college basketball. I just don't see McMahon platooning Stewart and Cook at the same spot when both are arguably your two best scoring options.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 12:11 pm to Alt26
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Cook is listed at (6'0) and Stewart is (6'2)
Stewart is listed as 6'1, which means hes probably 6'0 and Cook is definitely not 6 feet tall.
Just saying it's not an ideal scenario, Stewart also will have some time trying to adjust from playing in a mid-major conference to the SEC I bet. He played 2 major conference teams last year in DePaul and Cal who were both pretty terrible and he was shut down bad in both those games.
You just have to go with more size at the 2 spot if Cook is playing the 1. I'm not saying Stewart and cook wouldnt be on the court ever at same time, but it's hard to see them both starting and playing together for long periods. Especially when you have a guy like Wright who has played a ton of minutes in the SEC and if Ward takes a leap you have Wilk/Ward vying for minutes to between 2/3ish.
Either way I think it's a moot point because Cook doesnt seem like he'll be playing this year with how the NCAA has been ruling on these 2nd time transfers who arent graduates recently. Which really puts a huge wrench into this team short of guys like Ward taking HUGE leaps to pick up the slack.
This post was edited on 8/11/23 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 8/11/23 at 1:31 pm to thunderbird1100
It was clear last year that better shooting would have won 5-6 more games. I think we will be a better shooting team this year and Ward having more confidence will take a big step. He showed flashes of it near the end of last season. If Reed can cut down the TO's he will be difficult to guard. Also I think Baker brings more to the table than we had in the center position. Especially with his understanding of the pick and roll/pop. I do think we have something to look forward to this season and hopefully MM will show a better product on the floor. Defense will be the unknown but we all know that is more an effort thing than anything else.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 1:35 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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The two cases were merged together in the final phase. It was being viewed as an institutional control issue
For a violation he was charged at VCU?
What proven, that Wade did at LSU, that was an NCAA violation?
Posted on 8/11/23 at 2:03 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:At this point, after seeing the waivers rejected for the football players, I am just expecting Cook to be ineligible. Now if Stewart and Hannibal can handle the point, and I think they can, we will be fine.
I see Stewart backing up Cook, if Cook is even eligible which seems more and more like he wont be, in that case,
Of course if they are rejecting almost all waivers, then there are going to be a ton of teams, including SEC teams that are affected.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 2:20 pm to mmcgrath
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Now if Stewart and Hannibal can handle the point, and I think they can, we will be fine.
Hannibal is good energy off the bench, but he doesn't scare anyone at the PG spot. Defenses will happily give him all the room he wants to shoot and sag back to cut off his driving lanes.
Cook is a big part of LSU hoping to make significant improvement this season. If eligible, I expect him to be LSU's leading scorer. If not, the backcourt is going to be very, very thin.
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