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re: Is Jayden Daniels the BEST QB LSU has ever had? Yes…even better than Joey B?
Posted on 11/21/23 at 10:30 pm to griswold
Posted on 11/21/23 at 10:30 pm to griswold
We have played three top teams this season. In the FSU game Daniels was outplayed by Travis. He was shut out in the second half until a garbage time long pass. We had the ball three times inside the five and scored once. Against Ole Miss he had a two score lead past the midway point of the fourth quarter and couldn’t get the first down on two separate drives to ice it. Against Bama, he was injured after punting and throwing a pick on his previous 2 drives and we were already down 2 scores. It could be argued that in all three big games the opposite qb was better than Daniels, especially at making the winning plays.
Burrow left no doubt on who the best player on the field was every single game. How different would 2019 be remembered if Burrow doesn’t convert 3rd and 18 at Texas? What if he would have only put up 24 points against Texas like Daniels did against FSU? What if he would have only put up 28 in Tuscaloosa against a much better Bama club?
This whole sentiment pisses me off. Jayden has been very good. I think he should win the Heisman. But I’ll be damned, I just don’t understand how people can compare him to Burrow. When you are talking about elite players, they are separated by what happens in the biggest games at the biggest moments. I think the best comp for Daniels is Manziel.
Burrow left no doubt on who the best player on the field was every single game. How different would 2019 be remembered if Burrow doesn’t convert 3rd and 18 at Texas? What if he would have only put up 24 points against Texas like Daniels did against FSU? What if he would have only put up 28 in Tuscaloosa against a much better Bama club?
This whole sentiment pisses me off. Jayden has been very good. I think he should win the Heisman. But I’ll be damned, I just don’t understand how people can compare him to Burrow. When you are talking about elite players, they are separated by what happens in the biggest games at the biggest moments. I think the best comp for Daniels is Manziel.
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 10:33 pm to TigerFan244
I knew this fan base had short memories but holy shite…
Joe did more than accumulate yards, td’s and wins. He had several heisman moments.
Joe did more than accumulate yards, td’s and wins. He had several heisman moments.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 11/21/23 at 10:46 pm to dallastigers
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It’s a team sport, and offense didn’t answer in 4th quarter in 3 losses. He was a part of that. Regardless of injury Bama had started to shut us down before it happened.
Yep. People blame the defense as the difference maker for Daniels but 2019 Bama scored 41 on LSU’s defense. 2023 LSU allowed 42. The difference is that LSU didn’t outscore them.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 11:25 pm to BleedPnG
quote:Brady had AGOAT JB9 running pass plays that got the ball out of his hands very fast.
JB9 was known as a Stone cold killer because if a receiver was open he hit em.
The OL didn't have to hold their blocks very long because the ball was matriculating down/up the field quickly after the snap.......
Posted on 11/21/23 at 11:27 pm to griswold
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Why is that?
You know.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 11:47 pm to RBWilliams8
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Joe did more than accumulate yards, td’s and wins. He had several heisman moments.
And Daniels hasn't had several Heisman moments?
Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:40 am to Powerman
Not in the three losses. 14 points combined in the second half against FSU and Bama and had a two score lead with the ball late in the fourth quarter against a bad Ole Miss defense. 8 total td’s against Georgia St is impressive, 8 total td’s against Jalen Hurts and OU in the playoff is all time.
Jayden deserves the Heisman but he doesn’t deserve to be legitimately compared to 2019 Burrow.
Jayden deserves the Heisman but he doesn’t deserve to be legitimately compared to 2019 Burrow.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:59 am to Alt26
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Daniels has played a pretty comparable (regular season) schedule.
No.
quote:Both Bama teams allowed 18 points per game. 18.1 vs 18.6 . Burrow completed 79% of his passes vs 19 Bama. Read that again. 79%.
I think the 2019 Alabama team was better than the 2023 version, but when it is all said and done, it probably won't be by a tremendous margin.
Burrow faced 5 teams in the top 20. 3 in the top 10. JD has played 2 teams in the top 20 on defense. FSU is number 21.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:27 am to CrystalPreserves
I don't know why we have to make it a competition 
If you swapped QBs in their systems, neither would perform as well. The offenses are tailored to their skillset.
Burrow can not run nearly as well; Daniels is probably about 85-90% the passer (seeing the WR and accuracy) Burrow was.
Daniels may have the higher ceiling; like Burrow, he's improved exponentially his second year here. He has the better arm, IMO- Burrow was never about throwing a rope. Daniels usually doesn't, but he has a couple times this year, surprising me with the velocity. Both seem to understand that isn't the important part, it's about throwing the ball just hard enough to get to the WR, so he can catch it.
Burrow had the better targets, and the better ground game backing him up. And he definitely without question had the better defense.
quote:This is a good way to say it.
To me it’s kinda like comparing the abilities of Drew Brees to the abilities Lamar Jackson.
Both are the elite of the elite level.
If you swapped QBs in their systems, neither would perform as well. The offenses are tailored to their skillset.
Burrow can not run nearly as well; Daniels is probably about 85-90% the passer (seeing the WR and accuracy) Burrow was.
Daniels may have the higher ceiling; like Burrow, he's improved exponentially his second year here. He has the better arm, IMO- Burrow was never about throwing a rope. Daniels usually doesn't, but he has a couple times this year, surprising me with the velocity. Both seem to understand that isn't the important part, it's about throwing the ball just hard enough to get to the WR, so he can catch it.
Burrow had the better targets, and the better ground game backing him up. And he definitely without question had the better defense.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:42 am to TigerFan244
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TigerFan244
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Is Jayden Daniels the BEST QB LSU has ever had? Yes…even better than Joey B?
Different teams, different schedules and why compare or debate.
QB position by far is the most important player on a team and great that LSU has had two fantastic players at the elite level so close possibly labeling LSU a QB school destination.
Think about this, if JD would have transfer to LSU in 2020 then coach "O" would still be coaching because a QB like JD will get teams like LSU has had the last 4 years 8 to 10 wins a season.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:56 am to Madking
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Madking
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Another difference is we didn’t need to pad Burrows numbers against cupcakes like Ga. State.
Let's not forget Grambling, Army, a weak Miss St and Auburn teams where Kelly was padding JD's stats.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:19 am to ThePistol
Good point I’ll try to add to it. In games where our opponents scored 30+ points Burrow was 4-0 and averaged 53+ppg in 2019 with 2 of those games against top 10 teams. For JD this season he’s 3-3 in that scenario averaging 39ppg which is still incredible but not equal to or better than Joe.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:21 am to ThePistol
Thank you.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:30 am to LCTFAN
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why compare or debate.
Bc this is tRant and that’s what we do around here for fun and entertainment
Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:37 am to Locoguan0
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He still isn't half the passer that Joey B. was. He is still behind on passes and slow in his progressions. This is a big part of why he runs so much; He does not spot the open guy. Burrow could work through his progressions with perfect timing.
And yet all the stats say he’s a lot better than “half the passer”
Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:42 am to slackster
Burrow had way quicker mental processing.
I love JD5 but the question isn't really debatable.
Burrow hands down.
I love JD5 but the question isn't really debatable.
Burrow hands down.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:10 am to TigerFan244
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JB9 also DEFINITELY had a much better team around him. That 2019 team won almost every individual and team award there was to win…way better Oline, running back, and defense and more weapons on offense
you are clueless about football. this year's OL is far superior to 19's OL. Helaire was better than anyone on this team, but this team is far better running game overall. if 19 OL was so great, why was Joe frequently having to escape one second after the snap? defense is irrelevant when comparing the two qbs.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:34 am to TigerFan244
I think it boils down to which qb would win in a head to head match with equal players on each side of the ball
Everything the same except the qb.
Not sure why but I’d bet on burrow. He just seems to have that ability to make things happen
Everything the same except the qb.
Not sure why but I’d bet on burrow. He just seems to have that ability to make things happen
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:36 am to faraway
This is the new narrative that Burrow was carried by the rest of the offense when the truth is he elevated those guys. They didn’t throw to themselves and besides the two record setting WRs you had a RB who set the school record for catches at his position and a Tight End who set the school record for catches at his position plus another WR who had a top 10 season for TD catches even though he was hurt for awhile. None of that happens without the QB so in 2019 5 skill position players, including the QB, had record seasons.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:39 am to TigerFan244
Neither answer is wrong, but can you imagine Daniels having the same defense as Burrow?
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