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Cubs win lawsuit against rooftop seating

Posted on 10/11/26 at 11:17 pm
Posted by BFANLC
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 10/11/26 at 11:17 pm
So a neighboring building that overlooks Cub stadium sells tickets for people to eat and watch the game. Cubs got greedy and wanted 30% of the profits (from 200 people) and the guy says no how about 20%? Cubbies reject it and sue. Court says yeah you cant sell tickets to watch Cubs games anymore. Crazy to think that on your own property you can be told not to do what you want with it.

Personally Id give the seating away from now on.


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Posted by cubsfan5150
NWA
Member since Nov 2007
19189 posts
Posted on 10/11/26 at 11:41 pm to
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Personally Id give the seating away from now on.


I believe he would be ok to do that
Posted by Fat Bastard
alter hunter
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 10/11/26 at 11:49 pm to
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Cub stadium


i am not even a cubs fan but lets call it correctly

wrigley field
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
69088 posts
Posted on 10/12/26 at 12:08 am to
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Personally Id give the seating away from now on.


Yep. So this and charge a "game day premium" to everything sold up there.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
106847 posts
Posted on 10/12/26 at 12:29 am to
It was quaint when people just hung out on the roofs. Since it's just another business now he's no different than a sports bar hacking a livestream. The Cubs own the content and they can charge what they want. He can choose to pay it or not. Sucks for the roof guy but that's business.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
22042 posts
Posted on 10/12/26 at 12:43 am to
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Since it's just another business now he's no different than a sports bar hacking a livestream.


One would think watching it live from their privately owned rooftop is fundamentally different from a livestream bootlegged into a sports bar.

But it is Chicago.
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
79170 posts
Posted on 10/12/26 at 1:02 am to
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Personally Id give the seating away from now on.
Probably will charge $50 for a hot dog and drink and the bleachers will just be seats that they can sit at and enjoy their meal
Posted by RemouladeSawce
Uranus
Member since Sep 2008
18794 posts
Posted on 10/12/26 at 1:07 am to
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Personally Id give the seating away from now on
People these days don’t really go to the rooftops to watch a game so the Cubs don’t really care. The $150-200/game is for the unlimited food and drink inside. The modern rooftops are also really more for groups who want to socialize in a fun spot. It’s not possible to get 10-30 tickets for your company or alumni group or just general friend group at Wrigley so you book a rooftop

The rooftops aren’t for budget fans desperate to watch the Cubs, and the Cubs wouldn’t care if they watch for free. They do however care if a business is completely freeloading on their product and commercial rights

The rooftops are essentially a sophisticated sports bar that in this one case didn’t pay in any fashion for the entertainment (labor of others) central to its very existence as a single-purpose business. The guy also infringed on Cubs trademarks in their marketing
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Crazy to think that on your own property you can be told not to do what you want with it
Going to assume you don’t own your own property because no matter the jurisdiction the list of things you can’t do on it is massive
This post was edited on 10/12/26 at 1:35 am
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 10/12/26 at 1:11 am to
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One would think watching it live from their privately owned rooftop


Wrigley Field isn't their property.

It's no different than every stadium in the world covering any opening of people being able to see inside the stadium from the outside.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
22042 posts
Posted on 10/12/26 at 1:29 am to
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Wrigley Field isn't their property.

It's no different than every stadium in the world covering any opening of people being able to see inside the stadium from the outside.


Then let the Cubs put up a huge curtain if they think it's an issue. Are you saying the home owners are only allowed to look to the south during non-game times? And what about the flipside: are all the Cub fans in Wrigley allowed to look at their roof?
Posted by RemouladeSawce
Uranus
Member since Sep 2008
18794 posts
Posted on 10/12/26 at 1:42 am to
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Then let the Cubs put up a huge curtain if they think it's an issue
Not ideal optics for a club in a unique location that has always strived to do right by its neighborhood (to the chagrin of worse night game lighting than a 2A football field). They could have but it’s unnecessary public escalation compared to what transpired

There are 16 rooftop buildings. The Cubs (through the Ricketts family) already own 11. The ruling essentially allows the Cubs to shut down the remaining 5 because they’re now explicitly required to have the team’s authorization. The team is not obligated to give that at any royalty price and they now have the means to kill those 5 at will. This will realistically force the liquidation of that real estate (which now has far less value to anyone else) to the team

This guy gave them the means to a perfect lawsuit. That’s why they took this to court instead of raising a curtain. Winning this battle won them all future wars
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Are you saying the home owners are only allowed to look to the south during non-game times? And what about the flipside: are all the Cub fans in Wrigley allowed to look at their roof?
I don’t see anyone arguing that but for reference the lawsuit is not about where eyeballs are. It’s about the monetization of the Cubs’ commercial rights without their authorization
This post was edited on 10/12/26 at 6:44 am
Posted by Sus-Scrofa
Member since Feb 2013
11617 posts
Posted on 10/12/26 at 5:27 am to
I assume the bar is paying to show the game on TVs too.

Just seams like something a pro team should lean in to rather than protest and take to court.
Posted by RemouladeSawce
Uranus
Member since Sep 2008
18794 posts
Posted on 10/12/26 at 6:15 am to
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Just seams like something a pro team should lean in to rather than protest and take to court.
Why exactly should a pro team not protect its commercial interests, particularly when rights are being violated by a freeloader? That’s not the kind of “little guy” any team has interest in letting off the hook and the only acceptable action is to nip any appearance of a charity in the bud. Doing nothing now could also potentially make future enforcement more difficult

The team’s payroll isn’t fricking free either

In reality there’s nothing for the team to lean into. Fans and the neighborhood like the aesthetics of the rooftops but couldn’t care less who runs them. The team already owns 11 and wants to own the remaining 5. Getting the court ruling was the most effective domino to making that happen sooner. It’s essentially guaranteed now
This post was edited on 10/12/26 at 6:32 am
Posted by 18handicap
Member since Jul 2014
6684 posts
Posted on 10/12/26 at 6:18 am to
If the Cubs don't want them to watch from the rooftops, then put up walls and a roof so they can't see the game. Until then if I own one of those buildings, I'll sell what I want.
Posted by Sus-Scrofa
Member since Feb 2013
11617 posts
Posted on 10/12/26 at 6:37 am to
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Why exactly should a pro team not protect its commercial interests, particularly when rights are being violated by a freeloader? That’s not the kind of “little guy” any team has interest in letting off the hook and the only acceptable action is to nip any appearance of a charity in the bud. Doing nothing now could also potentially make future enforcement more difficult The team’s payroll isn’t fricking free either In reality there’s nothing for the team to lean into. Fans and the neighborhood like the aesthetics of the rooftops but couldn’t care less who runs them. The team already owns 11 and wants to own the remaining 5. Getting the court ruling was the most effective domino to making that happen sooner. It’s essentially guaranteed now


Dang, you’re taking this issue pretty seriously!
Posted by RemouladeSawce
Uranus
Member since Sep 2008
18794 posts
Posted on 10/12/26 at 6:38 am to
The correct reply is “thank you, hadn’t thought about it like that”

For which you are welcome
This post was edited on 10/12/26 at 6:41 am
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
86301 posts
Posted on 10/12/26 at 6:44 am to
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Crazy to think that on your own property you can be told not to do what you want with it.



I mean, the shoe is on the other foot because the home owners sued Wrigley when they put up the Right Field and Left Field score boards and advertising, claiming they had rights to view the field from their brownstones.

Think its petty from the cubs but it is what it is.
Posted by Suntiger
STG or BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
36604 posts
Posted on 10/12/26 at 6:48 am to
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Personally Id give the seating away from now on.


The correct move is to install two or three stripper poles. Get pictures of a few guys looking at your rooftop. Counter sue the Cubs and say they can’t sell tickets to watch your show or make them send you annual payments to offset lost revenue.
Posted by lsubatman1
Member since Feb 2009
2207 posts
Posted on 10/12/26 at 6:51 am to
In protest of this disgusting act of vigalante law i am watching cubs games from the roof of my trailer from now on
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
55813 posts
Posted on 10/12/26 at 6:51 am to
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If the Cubs don't want them to watch from the rooftops, then put up walls and a roof so they can't see the game. Until then if I own one of those buildings, I'll sell what I want.


This. I wonder what was there first, that building, or Wrigley?
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