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re: CPM on Off the Bench
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:56 am to ell_13
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:56 am to ell_13
Maybe we are going to have to switch our numbers a bit and recruit more position players. I know we are stuck due to the rules regarding total numbers (like everyone else) but it is insane we can’t even have a 2 deep for position players. Miss on a few and you are screwed.
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Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:56 am to ell_13
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This team isn’t as talented as he thought it would be
Recruiting is a guessing game
frick me running this dude sucks
Posted on 3/6/20 at 8:59 am to ell_13
quote:God this clown is such a moron
This team isn’t as talented as he thought it would be
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:02 am to ell_13
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Arnold is available
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:02 am to Pelican fan99
Anyone who still supports this shite is a fan of mainieri not LSU
What a fricking joke. He lost me when he admitted taking a year off after 09. If this doesn’t bring the apologists to the light then they have no clue. Period
What a fricking joke. He lost me when he admitted taking a year off after 09. If this doesn’t bring the apologists to the light then they have no clue. Period
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:02 am to ell_13
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This team isn’t as talented as he thought it would be
Recruiting is a guessing game
:Jaguars fan Gif:
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:04 am to TigerCub
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Maybe he needs to quit talking up some of these players like they're the next coming of Todd Walker before every season
This was brought up on AFR when James Moran was filling in for Moscona Monday
They basically said he’s doing himself no favors by comparing new guys to former players
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:07 am to ell_13
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He literally said that he tries to undercoach because at allows for a players natural instincts to take over (re:talent). This shite is what drives people insane.
Idk if this is his age taking over or what, but I don’t remember him being this clueless and befuddled and saying stupid shite at the beginning.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:09 am to ell_13
CPM, the last several seasons, seems to want to be an MLB style manager, as opposed to a college head coach.
We have a new hitting coach and it's probably going to take more than a fall / pre-conference spring to fix so many bad habits developed under our previous hitting coach.
I get trying to not overcoach the players in baseball. You want them to just react on ability, you don't want them thinking too much.
But you have to coach them up somewhat.
Remember, today's college players have been coached by idiot daddy-ball travel team coaches, and high school head coaches that all too often play favorites.
These kids NEED to be coached up. They are more raw than they used to be when they get to college. MLB organizations have devoted a ton of resources into farm system, understanding this. College can still only have three "paid" coaches.
CPM needs to coach more and manage less. If he can't, then maybe it's time to start thinking about retirement. I just wish he would see that.
We have a new hitting coach and it's probably going to take more than a fall / pre-conference spring to fix so many bad habits developed under our previous hitting coach.
I get trying to not overcoach the players in baseball. You want them to just react on ability, you don't want them thinking too much.
But you have to coach them up somewhat.
Remember, today's college players have been coached by idiot daddy-ball travel team coaches, and high school head coaches that all too often play favorites.
These kids NEED to be coached up. They are more raw than they used to be when they get to college. MLB organizations have devoted a ton of resources into farm system, understanding this. College can still only have three "paid" coaches.
CPM needs to coach more and manage less. If he can't, then maybe it's time to start thinking about retirement. I just wish he would see that.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:10 am to ell_13
Then hire coaches that are better guessers.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:11 am to Rosenblatt
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Anyone who still supports this shite is a fan of mainieri not LSU
bullshite! I still support him, and I'm an LSU fan first. I've posted a dozen times that he never should have been awarded such a long guaranteed contract. He was in the CWS final in 2017. Probably would have won it if his most consistent pitcher hadn't gotten injured. He's had two sucky years in a row since then. One I completely forgive because of injuries to pitchers. If they suck this year (that remains to be seen) I would say replace Mainieri - only we can't because dumbass Alleva guaranteed him through 2024, just like dumbass "Woody" guaranteed Orgeron for the next 6 years.
I could just as stupidly say, "Anyone who doesn't support him is not a true LSU fan." Everyone who doesn't share your opinion is not evil. Grow up.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:13 am to Penrod
Not evil, just stupid
Clearly you’re an idiot. I’d expect nothing less from you. You’re clueless.
You support the coach routinely acknowledging he has no idea about recruits and their true abilities. He’s done so twice in the last 7 days
Dumbass
Clearly you’re an idiot. I’d expect nothing less from you. You’re clueless.
You support the coach routinely acknowledging he has no idea about recruits and their true abilities. He’s done so twice in the last 7 days
Dumbass
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 9:18 am
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:13 am to LSUFanHouston
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Remember, today's college players have been coached by idiot daddy-ball travel team coaches, and high school head coaches that all too often play favorites.
Most Travel ball players have their own personal hitting coaches and I doubt they listen to their HS coaches. That’s a lot of the problem. Tony Robichaux told it like it is when he went on his rant about travel ball.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:14 am to LSUFanHouston
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CPM, the last several seasons, seems to want to be an MLB style manager, as opposed to a college head coach.
Which would mean he should change his recruiting philosophy to lean more heavily on JUCOs. Since part of being an MLB manager is outsourcing player development to other people (not a perfect analogy, because player development is still in the same org).
But instead, they've been recruiting like an MLB team drafts in a lot of cases. High upside raw talent that takes time and coaching to develop.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:14 am to ell_13
When you recruit mostly HS SS and speed, those players, if not complete studs, are overpowered at the collegiate level.
I never faced an overpowering pitcher in HS. I sucked and managed at .330 average.
I never faced an overpowering pitcher in HS. I sucked and managed at .330 average.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:16 am to TigerCub
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Maybe he needs to quit talking up some of these players like they're the next coming of Todd Walker before every season
How about just get a guy that can identify talent?
More effort in recruiting = less guess work
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:17 am to ProjectP2294
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Ehh, kind of. But when you focus on recruiting raw players with natural talent that need to be developed (like most of the sophomore position players) you can't blame the recruiting aspect when you don't develop them.
Who says we focus on raw players? Don’t most play HS ball and travel ball? Don’t most have their own personal coach for lessons, etc?
Who are our raw players?
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:20 am to ell_13
These quotes added to OP:
“ Ithink our guys need to work on their approach at the plate. We got some young kids. As soon as the lights go on, they forget what they learned in practice and go back to their instincts. Which can be good but college pitchers can throw that slider on the outside corner and you have to be for that especially with two strikes. Hopefully, they will go out there and be really aggressive tonight.”
On approach: “It’s different for each guy. Some guys are power hitters. Some are bat handlers and should never strike out. It all begins with the basic concept that you swing at strikes and take balls.”
“This is when a coach earns his money. You gotta know each player and know what makes them tick. I learned a long time ago... from a 1940s book... Whenever you have a choice between undercoaching and over coaching, always choose to undercoach because when the pressure is greatest, players instinctively go back to what is natural to them... we probably overcoached them this week but I felt it was the right time to do it.”
On keeping Hill as the setup “Hes not a robot... we gotta make sure we keep him healthy”
“You recruit kids and you believe they have the talent to do things. You’re doing it based on them against high school players. Most don’t face 90 mph. So you make your best guess. You recruit the best athletes you can. You don’t really know what you get until you send them out there and face a Texas pitcher throwing 93 with a hard slider. You think you’re overloaded with talent and next thing you know you’re happy if you’ve got just 9 guys... the options are more limited than I thought they’d be going into the season. At the same time, I feel good about the guys we’ve decided on.”
“We do have Zach Arnold back but I’m not sure how we will use him yet. I do like the way Cranford Has been coming along.”
“The big question is LF. Hampton has a sore back and is likely out. Drew Bianca back in LF to give him another chance.”
“ Ithink our guys need to work on their approach at the plate. We got some young kids. As soon as the lights go on, they forget what they learned in practice and go back to their instincts. Which can be good but college pitchers can throw that slider on the outside corner and you have to be for that especially with two strikes. Hopefully, they will go out there and be really aggressive tonight.”
On approach: “It’s different for each guy. Some guys are power hitters. Some are bat handlers and should never strike out. It all begins with the basic concept that you swing at strikes and take balls.”
“This is when a coach earns his money. You gotta know each player and know what makes them tick. I learned a long time ago... from a 1940s book... Whenever you have a choice between undercoaching and over coaching, always choose to undercoach because when the pressure is greatest, players instinctively go back to what is natural to them... we probably overcoached them this week but I felt it was the right time to do it.”
On keeping Hill as the setup “Hes not a robot... we gotta make sure we keep him healthy”
“You recruit kids and you believe they have the talent to do things. You’re doing it based on them against high school players. Most don’t face 90 mph. So you make your best guess. You recruit the best athletes you can. You don’t really know what you get until you send them out there and face a Texas pitcher throwing 93 with a hard slider. You think you’re overloaded with talent and next thing you know you’re happy if you’ve got just 9 guys... the options are more limited than I thought they’d be going into the season. At the same time, I feel good about the guys we’ve decided on.”
“We do have Zach Arnold back but I’m not sure how we will use him yet. I do like the way Cranford Has been coming along.”
“The big question is LF. Hampton has a sore back and is likely out. Drew Bianca back in LF to give him another chance.”
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:22 am to Number 9 Fan
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Who are our raw players?
Willis, Giacomo, Dugas, Hampton, Sanford
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:26 am to ProjectP2294
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Willis, Giacomo, Dugas, Hampton, Sanford
Did these guys not play travel ball and HS ball?
I understand Hampton’s situation; however, I didn’t know Gio, Sanford, Dugas, and Willis were not baseball “lifers”.
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