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re: CPM on Off the Bench
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:19 pm to ell_13
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:19 pm to ell_13
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It’s not that at all. Being mentally tough is huge for a baseball player. That doesn’t mean it’s okay for your coach to be the one to try and mentally break you down publicly. Skip was a HUGE proponent of belief and desire and confidence. If pretty good players could convince themselves that they are great, they can have confidence and overperform. While Skip could tear guys down When needed and expected a lot, he also built them up and he rarely spoke this way to the media because he knew his guys were listening. Hearing your coach 3 weeks into the season say that this team just isn’t as talented as he thought creates a mental hurdle that shouldn’t exist. Why try to hurt your team’s confidence like that???
I agree with all this and think Paul’s public persona is very off-putting, and I THINK if I were a player, it would kind of piss me off. But I will concede that he spends a ton of time with these guys that we don’t see and may have a better pulse on their psychology and what motivates them than we give him credit for. It does say something that his teams tend to flip a switch and get hot when it counts.
I do wonder what his former players think of him. Skip’s guys would die for him, but 1) he’s the best to ever do it, a unicorn, and 2) most of his guys won championships, which tend to not only gloss over, but make worth all the bumps along the way. The ends justify the means, so, 20-25 years later, almost all of his players likely love him, despite whatever relationship they may have had at the time. Paul only has the 1 CWS championship group, so I would be curious what his former players have to say about him in private. He’s not the charismatic giant Skip is and doesn’t have the championships to make all their journeys “worth it,” but if his former players have a respect, admiration, reverence, even love for Paul, then that would say a lot about what we don’t see.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:21 pm to ell_13
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This team isn’t as talented as he thought it would be
Recruiting is a guessing game
"You recruit kids and you believe they have the talent to do things. You’re doing it based on them against high school players. Most don’t face 90 mph. So you make your best guess. You recruit the best athletes you can. You don’t really know what you get until you send them out there..
Others must have gotten better at talent evaluation. Florida, Vandy, Arkansas, Moo U, etc seem to be doing fine. Paul needs to figure it out. You expect to miss on a few recruits but, if Paul really believes it that shite he spouted, he needs to up his evaluation or get better at developing what he has. Surely some of them will come around.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:31 pm to ProjectP2294
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Different kid, but this 2025 guy could probably get an LSU offer in multiple sports. You may have heard of his dad (and mom):
Okay that makes me feel really old
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:44 pm to Hot Carl
I know some. Or have known some over the years. None of them love him like some guys love their coaches. A few are indifferent. Most dislike him for one reason or another. Playing favorites (one actually was a favorite and admitted to the problems it causes), bad attitude, odd decisions, Multiple personalities.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:50 pm to ProjectP2294
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ETA: There are some 7th graders we're looking at as well. And we're scouting some of the kids from that LLWS team.
That speaks volumes.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:52 pm to Number 9 Fan
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That speaks volumes.
About the industry. Not about LSU specifically. It's just keeping up with the joneses. There are other programs that are much more aggressive in recruiting younger and younger.
ETA: Seemingly every year Miami is the first school to get a commit from the next youngest class. There are multiple schools out there with 2024 commits (8th graders).
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:52 pm to BurrowTurtle
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We need to be more aggressive at the plate... swing at strikes... take balls
This team isn’t as talented as he thought it would be
Recruiting is a guessing game
I have not been on the all out fire CPM until i read this. Obviously this is not verbatim what he said but is definitely the message he is putting out, and that is not a confident message. We are too great of a program to have a head of state saying recruiting is a guessing game and we didnt recruit good guys. There are too many young guns chomping at the bit to get into an opportunity like this. CPM needs to shape up or ship out at the end of this year.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:55 pm to ell_13
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I know some. Or have known some over the years. None of them love him like some guys love their coaches. A few are indifferent. Most dislike him for one reason or another. Playing favorites (one actually was a favorite and admitted to the problems it causes), bad attitude, odd decisions, Multiple personalities.
None of that surprises me, really. I wonder if they would feel different if they had won championships. Of course, maybe his handling of them is why they didn’t win championships. But that does say a lot. All coaches at that level are gonna have a few guys who think they were treated unfairly, done wrong, but if the great majority of your players don’t love and respect you after their gone, then I think you’ve done something wrong. If indifference is the best he can hope for, shite. That sucks.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:57 pm to ell_13
The Bus. Look who’s under it ......errrrryyyyybbbooodddyyy
Posted on 3/6/20 at 1:00 pm to ell_13
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He is happy with the starting pitching
Well no shite.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 1:01 pm to redfish99
There is 0 doubt that baseball is tough to judge how a player will go from HS to college or pro. Just refer to the draft. So many never make it in the pros. The miss is way higher than any other sport.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 1:04 pm to mgdtiger
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The miss is way higher than any other sport.
Is it though? I mean, with football and basketball, there are a shite ton of misses you never hear about because they never came close to being drafted.
That the baseball draft selects more players doesn't necessarily mean the hit rate on players is worse than other sports.
You would have to look at participation rates amongst HS and college and compare that to the leagues.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 1:07 pm to ProjectP2294
Yeah I’m not sure about that either. And define “miss”. Someone who isn’t successful in the MLB? Who doesn’t play pro at all? Somewhere in between?
Posted on 3/6/20 at 1:32 pm to ell_13
Swing at strikes.
Take balls.
I think he's onto something here.
Take balls.
I think he's onto something here.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 2:16 pm to ell_13
Lets say making a MLB major league team, that would be the goal. Compare top 7 rounds of the MLB draft to say the football draft.
I am not talking about players who aren't drafted and not even applying it to college players. point is there are more players drafted in baseball who don't make a major league team then other sports.
THe idea that such a large minor league system is needed shows this point.
Baseball AMerica study showed 73% of 1st rounders, 51% 2nd rounders and 40% 3rd rounders make MLB at some point in there career. And it drops as you go.
I am not talking about players who aren't drafted and not even applying it to college players. point is there are more players drafted in baseball who don't make a major league team then other sports.
THe idea that such a large minor league system is needed shows this point.
Baseball AMerica study showed 73% of 1st rounders, 51% 2nd rounders and 40% 3rd rounders make MLB at some point in there career. And it drops as you go.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 2:21 pm to mgdtiger
You can’t compare the two drafts. That’s crazy. Football players go straight from college to the NFL. Baseball is still playing pro ball but there or 4 sometimes 5 levels to get through.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 2:22 pm to ell_13
Mainieri is trying to do what Les did in making people feel so bad for you over your bad luck that they can’t fire you.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 2:24 pm to ell_13
What a negative sack of shite. CPM has to go if he throws kids under the bus.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 2:25 pm to The Boat
Tough to do when your #1 class isn’t being developed.
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