re: Coastal Carolina…subtle cheaters

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Happened several times in the finals. I guess the risk was worth the reward of stealing 225 pitches

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And that’s why the HC was so pissed, he knew in the first inning without getting those calls that LSU bats were gonna eat!!!

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They are the epitome of evil and all that is wrong with the world today

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They or He?

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Pretty sure it’s not reviewable.

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Did you watch the CWS?

Per the NCAA rules:

REVIEWABLE CALLS 1-14: The Crew Chief will only initiate a review on plays 1-14 upon a challenge by a Head Coach, except for plays 2 and 14 that do not require a challenge at any time during a game. A Crew Chief’s or Video Review Official’s review is allowed at their discretion during the last two innings of regulation and any extra innings, if the affected team is out of challenges.

9. Hit by Pitch (HBP): Those plays for which there is a possibility that a pitched ball touches a batter, their clothing or equipment. See NCAA Baseball Rule 8-2-d. Any doubt as to whether a pitched ball hit the bat (as opposed to the batter or their clothing) should be resolved by the home plate umpire at that moment as hitting the bat and not the batter, and the umpire should declare a fair or foul ball under the circumstances.

Example 1.-A pitch strikes the batter, but the umpire erroneously rules that the pitch struck the bat instead and rules “foul ball.” The head coach on offense appropriately challenges and video review reverses the call. The Crew Chief shall declare the ball dead at the moment it struck the batter and award bases accordingly.

Example 2.-A pitch strikes the bat, but the umpire erroneously rules “hit batter – dead ball.” The head coach on defense appropriately challenges and video review reverses the call. If the ball lands foul, the Crew Chief shall call the ball “foul.” If the ball landed fair, the Crew Chief will acknowledge the erroneous call, return all runners to the base occupied prior to the pitch and batter to the box, and nullify the pitch. (The pitch does not count).

Example 3.-An umpire calls either an intentional or hit by pitch, and rules that the batter should stay in the box and awards a strike or awards first base. The offensive coach initiates a challenge (or Crew Chief review if the affected team is out of challenges and late inning criteria is met). Upon Video Review, it is indisputable that the ball did not hit the batter, however, the ball did go all the way to the backstop. The Crew Chief will put the batter back in the box, awarding the pitch as ruled (ball or strike), and advance the runners as if the correct call would have been made originally. Should the Crew Chief rule that the runners would not have advanced (the ball was in the immediate area of the catcher), then place the runner(s) at their original starting position.

Example 4.-The offensive coach initiates a review (or Crew Chief if the affected team is out of challenges and late inning criteria are met) following a call of a foul ball on an up and in pitch that the plate umpire rules to have hit the bat. Video review determines with indisputable video evidence that the ball did hit the batter, but they intentionally tried to get hit. Even though the defense did not initiate a challenge, the entirety of HBP can be reviewed. Video review will determine the appropriate ruling on HBP, all aspects. For the purpose of deciding on HBP, any equipment worn by the batter or protruding from their pocket (such as helmet, batting glove, or base running mitt, etc.) that is struck by the pitch will be considered part of the player’s uniform and therefore awarded first base, if they did not violate the intentional HBP portion of the rule.

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they used it to advantage all year long. It is what it is.

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this is true - and in a court of law it would be acceptable.

In a contest wrt which team has the best baseball techniques and sportsmanship qualities, it is unwelcome and unworthy of praise or acceptance.

Would be the same as a sprinter who had a way to begin his takeoff on a signal from the starter that pressure on the trigger had been initiated.

As for the 'framing' - it pisses me off to even watch it. IF I were the ump I'd be pissed & would assume the catcher is trying to cheat - and after warning him once, on any close call, I'd call the opposite of what he was trying to get me to call.

I viscerally hate cheating in all aspects of any sport - period. It erodes the very basis of any game.

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There’s a reason they led the country in HBP, by a lot

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Was LSU cheating in 2023?

100%

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You can dislike their tactics but I mean…this may be a little dramatic

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Ya think?

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They’ve gotten away with and brag about the catchers “framing”

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I was very pleased to see that neither of the home plate umpires allowed them to get away with that very much. If anything, by bragging about it they make the umpires pay closer attention to it.

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I did not like the call of HBP. I think if there is a dispute, it should not be a strike, it should be a non-pitch.

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I don't like the results of a JUDGMENT call of trying to get hit by the pitch either. However, I disagree with your solution. IF ruled that the batter tried to get hit or did not try to avoid the pitch, the pitch would be called as if it didn't hit the batter. In other words a strike if it was in the strike zone (and yes, I have seen an elbow in the strike zone when the elbow was struck) or a ball if outside the strike zone. The only time a free base is awarded if is the pitcher caused an unavoidable situation of the batter being hit.

light in the loafers aren't ya buddy?