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re: BK did have a good point in his presser.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:55 am to TigerLifer18
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:55 am to TigerLifer18
The year Les Miles was fired (2016) was the year our QB woes died. I haven't been concerned about QB play since. A few bad years, but not because of QB play. Hell, 2021 Max Johnson had a 144.4 QBR with 2800 yards, 60% Cmp%, 27 TDs and only 6 INTs.
2016 Danny Etling
2017 Danny Etling
2018 Joe Burrow
2019 Joe Burrow
2020 Myles Brennan and Max Johnson
2021 Max Johnson
2022 Jayden Daniels
2023 Jayden Daniels
2024 Nuss
2016 Danny Etling
2017 Danny Etling
2018 Joe Burrow
2019 Joe Burrow
2020 Myles Brennan and Max Johnson
2021 Max Johnson
2022 Jayden Daniels
2023 Jayden Daniels
2024 Nuss
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:56 am to Mahootney
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I wonder what the difference is.
Both guys broke off a long run. Explosive plays basically. Plus Williams gets most of the short yardage gives but Emery and Durham are clearly more explosive.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:01 am to Tactical Syrup
It seems like the defacto game plan against us so far is put extra guys in the box and make Nuss drive the entire field and play good redzone defense. We need Hilton back or Parker to continue to make plays so teams have to start playing smaller boxes and then we will run it down peoples throat. The oline hasnt' been great in run blocking but if we have 6 guys blocking and they are fitting it with 7 guys somebody is unblocked.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:06 am to AllenTXTiger
As Chester matures into the center position you will see the run statistics get better in my opinion. It is just difficult to come into this league even as a RS Freshman and perform at the level needed. PT and experience will make this Oline better over time. Hopefully by the OM game.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:12 am to AllenTXTiger
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His family has generational wealth, he'll be ok.
One of my buddies worked with him for a bit. Had nothing but good things to say about him. Hard worker, humble, eager/quick learner, paid attention to detail, etc. I think he'd be OK if his family didn't have generational wealth.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:16 am to WaterSplashesBack
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statement filled with hope and little real fact.
Exactly.
TWO different HCs had the chance to make him their guy...and they passed on him.
In 2017 Brennan played significant snaps (vs. Syracuse, Troy, Alabama). He went into Spring ahead of the 2018 season as the most likely starter. Coming out of spring O has such little faith in him that he went out and signed a backup QB from Ohio St. who was a less heralded recruit AND had less significant game experience than Brennan. It wasn't some moment of clairvoyance by O seeing a future Heisman winner being underused. It was him thinking "I have shite at QB, and I have to find someone else. This guy (Burrow) can't be worse than what we have"
In 2022 Kelly had a situation where the 2021 starter (Johnson) was transferring and there were still questions of if Nussmeier (who had chosen not to play the final 3 games in 2021 to preserve his redshirt...including the bowl game he would have started) would remain with LSU. Faced with that uncertainly, Kelly talked Brennan into staying at LSU. However, as soon as Daniels entered the portal Kelly jumped.
If either coach had felt Brennan was elite, they wouldn't have brought in transfers to start ahead of him. And make NO mistake. Burrow and Daniels weren't brought in to "compete for the job". They were brought in with promises of starting. How do we know that? Because each had leverage. They didn't have to go to LSU. But Daniels as a 3 years starter and Burrow who was desperate to start after 3 years of not playing weren't going to a school where they weren't going to be the starting QB.
Brennan was unlucky because he played a great, gutsy, game vs. Missouri which ultimately proved to be his final game. But to say he was "destined for greatness" is a stretch.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:30 am to mdomingue
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Our game with the best rushing average was the first game, Here are the numbers.
USCw - 25 carries, 113 yards, 4.5 ypc, long of 39 yards (Emery)
The running game against USC sticks out because of two 3rd down play calls that killed two LSU drives in the fourth quarter. It's like the coaches did not allow Nuss to check out of those run plays against a stacked box. I would really like to know what happened there. Was Nuss allowed to check into a pass play or not?
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:40 am to WaterSplashesBack
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Honestly Myles Brennan was well on his way to being the truth at LSU too
statement filled with hope and little real fact.
He had 1100 yards and 11 TDs in 3 games before his injury. Bo Nix, who started for AU, didn't pass that TD mark until week 10. Its not his fault his defense sucked because of COVID opt-outs and Ed not actually interviewing Bo Pelini.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:42 am to Tactical Syrup
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Teams are still really trying to stop us from running the ball.
They are very successful at it!!
I was yelling at BK to just pass the damn ball and light the score board up against UCLA the first half, given the D's performance.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:49 am to Tactical Syrup
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Teams are still really trying to stop us from running the ball. Nuss has feasted in part thanks to this.
Timestamp for this part?
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:04 am to GumboPot
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The running game against USC sticks out because of two 3rd down play calls that killed two LSU drives in the fourth quarter.
I'm pretty sure one of those plays would have worked, maybe both (my memory is showing signs of how old I am
) had the tight end done more than an ole on his block. Of course I could be thinking of a different play, in the ones I am talking about the backside pursuit killed at least one of them, the back was pulled down from behind and there was a bulge where he would have hit the line that looked to be good enough for the yardage needed. Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:08 am to jacquespene8
The defenses we are facing are "crowding" the box and keeping the pass plays in front of them. They keep the safeties close enough to the line of scrimmage to fill the run gaps, but deep enough that they can drop into zone on pass plays. It's similar to what the NFL is doing to stop these great passing offenses. Alot of compressed 1-2 high safety soft man coverage looks is what we are seeing.
There's 3 ways to beat the defensive looks we are getting.
1: Dink and dunk them, accepting the free 5-10yd pass. But you have to be perfect going down the field for this to work. The defense expects the offense to make a mistake on 3rd down and be unable to convert on short yardage. This is what we are currently doing pretty effectively.
2: Run the frick through them. If you are consistently able to run through their 7-9 man boxes they will be forced to play heavier personele and/or play up closer to the line. If the safeties walk up closer to the line you have more room/time to throw the 10-15yd middle slants. Not only that, but you also open up the deep shots in play action, the safeties have less time to react to the go routes and you end up with more 1 on 1 shots. Add in the fact that if they are forced to go into heavier personele groups you get mismatches with linebackers or box safeties being forced into double coverage or sometimes even single coverage with wide recievers.
This is Georgia's gameplan. Crush the defense's soul running up front while taking deep play action passes the moment the safeties crash the box. Rinse and repeat until the defense tires and the chunk them to death with runs in the 3rd and 4th quarter.
3: Have more than 1 player that can consistently beat deep man coverage. If you have 2 guys that have to be double covered at all times to prevent chunk plays the safeties can't be in the box. They are forced to stay back, and protect the deep throw. Add in the fact that the defense will be forced to play 5-6 DBs or lighter atheletic coverage linebackers every play the box gets featherlight. Now you can run it at will.
This is what 2019 LSU was able to do, no team was able to cover all three of Chase, Jefferson, and Marshall in single coverage. Add in Moss and Helaire, and it was impossible to prevent an open reciever while maintaining a line capable of stoping the run. 2023 LSU also did this with Nabers, Thomas, Lacy, and Daniels. Nabers and Thomas always required double coverage, Lacy was good enough to beat single coverage, and at all times a safety or linebacker had to spy Daniels. If anyone made a mistake it immediately turned into a 30+ yd pass or a 15+ yd QB run.
There's 3 ways to beat the defensive looks we are getting.
1: Dink and dunk them, accepting the free 5-10yd pass. But you have to be perfect going down the field for this to work. The defense expects the offense to make a mistake on 3rd down and be unable to convert on short yardage. This is what we are currently doing pretty effectively.
2: Run the frick through them. If you are consistently able to run through their 7-9 man boxes they will be forced to play heavier personele and/or play up closer to the line. If the safeties walk up closer to the line you have more room/time to throw the 10-15yd middle slants. Not only that, but you also open up the deep shots in play action, the safeties have less time to react to the go routes and you end up with more 1 on 1 shots. Add in the fact that if they are forced to go into heavier personele groups you get mismatches with linebackers or box safeties being forced into double coverage or sometimes even single coverage with wide recievers.
This is Georgia's gameplan. Crush the defense's soul running up front while taking deep play action passes the moment the safeties crash the box. Rinse and repeat until the defense tires and the chunk them to death with runs in the 3rd and 4th quarter.
3: Have more than 1 player that can consistently beat deep man coverage. If you have 2 guys that have to be double covered at all times to prevent chunk plays the safeties can't be in the box. They are forced to stay back, and protect the deep throw. Add in the fact that the defense will be forced to play 5-6 DBs or lighter atheletic coverage linebackers every play the box gets featherlight. Now you can run it at will.
This is what 2019 LSU was able to do, no team was able to cover all three of Chase, Jefferson, and Marshall in single coverage. Add in Moss and Helaire, and it was impossible to prevent an open reciever while maintaining a line capable of stoping the run. 2023 LSU also did this with Nabers, Thomas, Lacy, and Daniels. Nabers and Thomas always required double coverage, Lacy was good enough to beat single coverage, and at all times a safety or linebacker had to spy Daniels. If anyone made a mistake it immediately turned into a 30+ yd pass or a 15+ yd QB run.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:11 am to The Baker
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But why?
I wonder if part of it could be the "gunslinger" persona that everyone parrots about Nuss. Maybe they think if he throws it enough then he'll get overly aggressive and make mistakes they can capitalize on
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:14 am to Sleepy_Tiger
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so in a way, we should all be thanking Max Johnson for transferring, Max doesn’t say bye-bye no Jayden Daniels amazing how things work out
I thought Jayden transferred in and then Max transferred out? Could definitely have the timeline wrong.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:15 am to Tactical Syrup
We should hope people stack the box on us. Our passing game should be unstoppable.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:17 am to TigerLifer18
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Honestly Myles Brennan was well on his way to being the truth at LSU too
Lol not a chance. He was horrible
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:17 am to Tactical Syrup
He's not wrong. At some point, teams will say, "you know, maybe daring that guy to throw isn't exactly working out too well."
You have to wonder why they haven't yet....
You have to wonder why they haven't yet....
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:21 am to TigerLifer18
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I almost feel 100% about the QB position going into any given season now for LSU.
Same but we had to pay the price of the defense in order to get here.
If we can maintain the offensive production of the last few years while getting the traditional LSU defense back, we legitimately would be Bama on steroids for a while.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:33 am to Tactical Syrup
If teams are stacking the box, the passing game should be better. They should never punt
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:33 am to The Baker
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But why?
If you key on the run against us, you make us 1 dimensional. If you key on the pass and let us run the ball, that will open up play action, and now we're able to run and pass and we're gonna hang 50. Stopping the run on us is certainly very important. We became nearly unstoppable against SCar once the run game (Durham) got going.
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