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re: BayouTraditions and similar NIL “collectives” are offensive.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:15 am to jbird7
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:15 am to jbird7
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They can easily set some regulations in regard to NIL
The broad Supreme Court ruling doesn’t allow for any direct regulation of or restrictions on NIL by the NCAA. They can’t do anything. The federal government could pass laws that tighten the screws on collectives and how they can operate, but that’s about all that can be done that wouldn’t be immediately shot down.
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:17 am to misey94
It’s only offensive to those that don’t have that kind of disposable income. But you can bet those that do, are donating with the quickness.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:18 am to misey94
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That’s the only way around Title IX. Would you rather have NIL or that? I don’t like NIL, but I’ll take it over the death of the entire G5 or it’s relegation to FCS.
Let it all burn down and allow the parties that created this mess to wallow in its rotten fruits.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:21 am to BearCrocs
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But you can bet those that do, are donating with the quickness.
I have plenty of disposable income, but I’m sure as hell not giving it to someone to pay their employees with.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:22 am to TigerFan244
As long as we are at it, the coaches and LSU make way too much money off 20 year olds playing games. $1,000 tickets are the definition of insanity. Yes - money has ruined the game that I love.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:23 am to TJG210
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Let it all burn down and allow the parties that created this mess to wallow in its rotten fruits.
Go frick yourself. Watch something else if you can’t take it anymore.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:24 am to Metaloctopus
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I honestly don't know what framework was going to prevent this. Once they opened the door to this, it was going to come to this point, sooner or later. Once you tell kids that they can profit off of their NIL, how long do you get away with telling them how much they can profit
Figuring out a revenue sharing model with the student athletes before the courts mandated you to allow them to make money off of their NIL I think could have been a happy medium.
You right it very well may still end up where we are but if you are just giving them some of the millions the NCAA was making off of basically free labor (scholarships and other perks for the student-athletes are paid by the school not the NCAA) people may have been willing to work with the NCAA. It was the whole “amateurism” schtick they kept wanting to throw out there to keep all the money.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:26 am to misey94
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Go frick yourself.
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Watch something else if you can’t take it anymore.
Maybe I will, but believe me there are far more like me who have had enough or simply refuse to pay. The nil stuff was just the cherry on top of the title ix nonsense that Will send it all crashing down.
The real fun will begin when players are officially considered “employees” and the girl on a women’s soccer scholarship is due to pay taxes on the scholarship money.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 8:31 am
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:29 am to TigerFan244
They should never have gone with NIL as a way to pay players. Give them a salary, tie bonuses to team and individual goals, kinda like the real world. Set a salary structure with a cap. Maybe if the coach “only” got $5 million, the rest could go to the players. Make it tied to revenue from that sport - if no one watches tiddlywinks, either play for your scholarship like the old days, or find a way to make tiddlywinks a revenue generating sport. There is already inequality among schools, so that’s not a reason not to do it.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:29 am to TNTigerman
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First Intentions of NIL = Capitalism Present Status of NIL = Communism. Everyone must get a share.
There’s a section in the signup process where you literally get to put in what sport you want it to go to.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:30 am to TigerFan244
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Imagine a professional team pleading with fans to pay more money so that they can “offer their players more opportunities”
The distinction is the professional teams split the revenue generated (ticket sales, TV contracts, licensing, etc) with the players per the terms of an agreement with the players. That doesn't happen in college. The athletic department takes in all of the revenue. In essence, the collective is just a way for the players to be paid for their service as a football player. But there would be less need for such collectives if the players were able to get a portion of the revenue generated by college football and basketball.
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Patrick Mahomes earning millions to do a stupid commercial with Jake from State Farm - NIL. The Chiefs going to fans and saying “Lets start a fund so we can pay players for their NIL so they will come to and stay in KC” is NOT effing NIL.
Yes, but the Chiefs are taking the money generated from fans by providing goods (licensed merchandise, etc) and "services" (ticket sales/tv rights) to pay Mahomes a salary. The don't need to ask the fans for more money. As it stands now, LSU can't and won't pay Harold Perkins a salary.
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When will the NCAA grow a pair and put an end to this madness?
Their concern is that any restrictions they put for will be challenged as an antitrust violation
IMO, the anger comes from viewing football and men's basketball through the prism of them being "amateur sports". They aren't, and haven't been for a long time. They are really not that different from professional sports in the sense they are more a multi-million/billion dollar entertainment business...that just happens to be affiliated with a school.
Take LSU and the SEC. LSU generates several million dollars a year in ticket sales. They generate several million in licensing (yes, Columbia has to pay LSU to put the logo on those "good" fishing shirts). They soon will be generating $300 million per year (split 16 ways when Texas and OU join) in broadcast rights. TV rights, ticket sales, licensing are the primary revenue generating sources in the NFL and NBA. So how are college football and basketball really any different? The only difference is that the players aren't sharing in the revenue.
Are these collectives really just fundraising pay-for-play efforts? Of course. Does that seem to be the antithesis of college sports? Yep. But that is where we are, and probably the most expeditious way to gain some degree of regulation is to have, in essence, the school/conferences collectively bargain with a "players union" to share the revenue. That is a the legal way to regulate earnings and the use of "collectives" could be negotiated out of a CBA between the players and schools..
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:32 am to TigerFan244
First of all...
Never. The NCAA is completely worthless. I am not even go into detail about why I say this, I am sure most people feel the same.
But there has always been some type of "pay for play" involved in CFB. It was probably worse in the 80s and 90s than it had been before NIL, but to stay competitive unfortunately these are the things that needs to be established. But I do hope its at least incentive based. And you don't want what happened to A&M this past year, evidently there was a split locker room.
They had a class of freshman coming in who got paid to go there. Hopefully the way A&M handled NIL in 2022 will become a model of what not to do, but once NIL became a thing, I expected it to be used not how it was intended, that's just how college sports works and unfortunately the only way things will change is if US congress steps in.
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When will the NCAA grow a pair and put an end to this madness?
Never. The NCAA is completely worthless. I am not even go into detail about why I say this, I am sure most people feel the same.
But there has always been some type of "pay for play" involved in CFB. It was probably worse in the 80s and 90s than it had been before NIL, but to stay competitive unfortunately these are the things that needs to be established. But I do hope its at least incentive based. And you don't want what happened to A&M this past year, evidently there was a split locker room.
They had a class of freshman coming in who got paid to go there. Hopefully the way A&M handled NIL in 2022 will become a model of what not to do, but once NIL became a thing, I expected it to be used not how it was intended, that's just how college sports works and unfortunately the only way things will change is if US congress steps in.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:32 am to TigerFan244
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When will the NCAA grow a pair and put an end to this madness?
As has been already stated, the NCAA has no power to stop this. As long as this is done outside of the control of the university, it is what the court decided.
I disagree completely with the idea that athletes should be paid since the university is making money.
LSU is one of the few universities that actually brings in more athletic money than it spends.
Athletes have always been paid -- they got free tuition, free room, free food (the best in the university), free medical care, free tutoring, and the chance to make millions of dollars after they get out.
I agree with others that have pointed out -- there's no going back now.
The only possible move is for the NCAA to make stricter rules about moving between schools.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:40 am to TigerFan244
NIL needs regulation, the transfer portal needs parameters.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:41 am to TigerFan244
NCAA can’t touch NIL! Jezzz people do better! Study more! Think about it
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:43 am to TigerFan244
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But, can we all once and for all agree that NIL is a sham and that the original intent of NIL has been completely lost.
Almost immediately it devolved into school based collectives which is essentially pay for play.
To me NIL should tie directly to a business purpose. I'm giving this athlete money to be on my billboard, or to appear at my car dealership and sign balls for a few hours.
What we have is athletes leveraging their schools to squeeze money out of fans. That money isn't based on the athlete's name image and likeness at that point.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 8:49 am
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:46 am to geauxtigers33
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You right it very well may still end up where we are but if you are just giving them some of the millions the NCAA was making off of basically free labor
The NCAA doesn’t make a dime off of college football, which is where we all know most of the money is. Something like 85% of their money comes from March Madness, a source they protect at all costs. Here is a breakdown of what they say their expenses are:
NCAA Infographic
Their revenue is now over $1 billion per year, but according to their financials, they pay around $900 million of that to schools for different scholarships and programs and to fund all of the other sports tournaments across 3 divisions that don’t make money. According to a list at the bottom left corner of the graphic, only 5 events break even or better.
Sure, the NCAA could manage its money better than it does. We all know how much of a joke it is when it comes to rules enforcement. There’s no telling what gets spent on that. It could split up what’s left and give a chunk of it away to everyone, but when everyone becomes every student athlete across Division 1, or possibly all 3, that money isn’t going to go as far as some of you believe.
I’m no fan of the NCAA, but I don’t think them sharing revenue is any more of a real solution to NIL than the cost of attendance stipends they pushed through a few years ago. When you factor in Title IX and having to share something with every athlete, it wouldn’t come to very much. It certainly wouldn’t match the value specifically generated by football and men’s basketball players
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 8:55 am
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:52 am to Alt26
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So how are college football and basketball really any different? The only difference is that the players aren't sharing in the revenue.
As long as Title IX exists, what you are talking about is impossible without a complete break from the NCAA and the universities. You guys keep saying the same shite over and over but it’s a fricking pipe dream.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:52 am to misey94
We should stop pretending that what we are seeing with NIL is anything new. College football players have been paid money for decades, only difference is its now public.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:56 am to FreddieMac
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We should stop pretending that what we are seeing with NIL is anything new. College football players have been paid money for decades, only difference is its now public.
Well, one new wrinkle is that schools are now asking all fans to join in the fun, rather than just a handful of their richest donors.
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