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re: BayouTraditions and similar NIL “collectives” are offensive.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 4:02 pm to GeauxGoose
Posted on 2/1/23 at 4:02 pm to GeauxGoose
The NCAA did not open the box. State legislators did by passing bills to allow it. Every major school eas already paying under the table. The schools were risking penalties in the old way. At least it is legal this way. The schools with the organization to collect and raise money are just trying to raise the money publicly and actually control it. No more coaches like Wade have to pay it out of their bank account.there maybe some fixing but it is here to stay.
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 4:06 pm to TigerFan244
Ive gotten to the point where College football just needs to go away.
Why the frick should these guys still have to actually make grades and go to class? Just expand the professional leagues.
Why the frick should these guys still have to actually make grades and go to class? Just expand the professional leagues.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 4:20 pm to dgnx6
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Why the frick should these guys still have to actually make grades and go to class? Just expand the professional leagues.
The idea that these players have any value outside the college setting is laughable.
There has never been a successful minor league sports league in United States history, without heavy subsidies from the parent league.
People do not want, or need, minor league sports.
College sports has been the outlier, because of its connection to universities. People care about LSU because they went to LSU, grew up watching LSU, their kids go to LSU, etc.
The idea that that connection would still exist if the ties between the universities and the athletic programs was severed is absurd.
People are making a serious error in market analysis by thinking that the success of college athletics is anything but fandom of the UNIVERSITY.
Does anyone think that the Baton Rouge Tigers, with the exact same roster as LSU, would have any level of commercial success? There is no track record of that being true, ever.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 2/1/23 at 4:49 pm to lsufanva
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I agree with everything completely but when you break down the actual amount of money the universities make off the backs of those kids, what they receive is pennies.
Well, for the non-athletes, those pennies added up to about $1.5T in personal debt that the president of the United States used as a carrot for national campaigns.
Also, why is is so rare to ever see someone wind up in a professional league that was privately trained?
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When the courts essentially required NIL the NCAA was unprepared. They were so used to winning and being given a pass that they didn't plan for the anarchy that would inevitably happen.
Which may have been the reason that NIL was treated the way it was in the first place? What are some controls that you would put in place to ensure NIL contracts are not just creative, premeditated booster payments?
Lastly, where did all of this money go? People refer to the NCAA as greedy…do they have shareholders? Why are they not allowed to have their own rules (like the NFL does), and if you don’t like it you can take your talents somewhere that you can make money? Bottom line is these kids chose to go to school, because it was the best option available. Putting the blame on the best option available is convenient, but foolish.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 4:58 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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The idea that these players have any value outside the college setting is laughable.
There has never been a successful minor league sports league in United States history, without heavy subsidies from the parent league.
People do not want, or need, minor league sports.
College sports has been the outlier, because of its connection to universities. People care about LSU because they went to LSU, grew watching LSU, their kids go to LSU, etc.
The idea that that connection would still exist if the ties between the universities and the athletic programs was severed is absurd.
People are making a serious error in market analysis by thinking that the success of college athletics is anything but fandom of the UNIVERSITY.
Does anyone think that the Baton Rouge Tigers, with the exact same roster as LSU, would have any level of commercial success? There is no track record of that being true, ever.
It's crazy to me how so many people seemed to willfully ignore something so patently obvious.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 5:00 pm to TigerFan244
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Patrick Mahomes earning millions to do a stupid commercial with Jake from State Farm - NIL. The Chiefs going to fans and saying “Lets start a fund so we can pay players for their NIL so they will come to and stay in KC” is NOT effing NIL.
When will the NCAA grow a pair and put an end to this madness?
The Chiefs dont have to ask fans for money b/c they pay their players directly. LSU can't pay players. The whole system is kinda shitty. But your analogy doesn't work b/c you are comparing apples to oranges.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 5:43 pm to Tom Bronco
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It always amazes me that people who want amateur sports can justify the huge TV contracts that go to fund the huge salaries of coaches, AD's, conference officials, etc.and still call that amateur. Cancel all the tv contracts, live on what you earn from paid attendance, then you can really be an amateur. Of course it would all go broke then and we wouldn't have to worry about it. And of course there were already "collectives". It's just that they were used to pay coaches and not players.
Hypocrisy everywhere SNAFU!!
This is a whole lot of ignorance. We're talking about the players being amateurs, not the coaches. The coaches are running an entire program, which makes them professionals. And if it weren't for TV deals and all of those things, players wouldn't have all of the nice things they've grown accustomed to, like athletic scholarships, training facilities, locker rooms that resemble a palace, etc.
And no, collectives did not always exist. We know there was corruption and money under the table, but the fact that it was not legal meant that there was far less money being thrown around. There were plenty of boosters who would not be willing to get involved in something like that before. But now, it's open season, and it's become a free agent market.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 5:47 pm to Metaloctopus
I give college athletics another 6yrs at most in its current form, after that who knows, but this is definitely a sinking ship.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 5:55 pm to geauxtigers33
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Figuring out a revenue sharing model with the student athletes before the courts mandated you to allow them to make money off of their NIL I think could have been a happy medium.
The person who already replied to you pretty much covered what I was about to say about revenue sharing. As he said, that would really go nowhere once you spread it out to all of the athletes. That's why socialism always fails. The bottom line is that nobody forces these kids to play sports. If they feel they are slave laborers, they can go find something else to do. The college model falls apart when you treat the players like professionals. Not everyone can afford to play by the same rules, and that leaves a lot of programs in the dust, which in turn decreases opportunities for a lot of kids to play sports, in the long run. The trickle down effect will be felt by smaller schools, if it isn't happening already.
Is that any more fair than what we had before NIL? I think sometimes it's better to just leave things alone.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 6:06 pm to Metaloctopus
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The college model falls apart when you treat the players like professionals
100%
It’s greed that’s going to rip the whole thing apart. Go and check out the expanded playoff schedule in 2024, it’s completely asinine from a fans perspective.
Rd 1 is the weekend prior to Christmas at home stadiums
Quarterfinals are neutral site bowl games the following weekend
Semifinals are neutral site bowl games the following weekend
Championship is a neutral site game
What sense does it make to hold the quarterfinals at a neutral site? I can understand the semi finals/finals, but if you’re a fan and want to attend all the cost will be obscene.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 2/1/23 at 6:13 pm to TigerFan244
I am honored to be the 200th upvote. 
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:31 pm to Salviati
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This does not make sense. The P5 is going to sever ties with schools? The SEC football teams won't represent the schools in the SEC? Even if they broke away, they are still subject to anti-trust laws. Breaking away does not solve the problems.
Officially severing any remaining budgetary and oversight ties and operating completely outside of the universities is the only way to get away from Title IX. Even if the P5 pulls away from the NCAA (which has been threatened many times for leverage, even if just as a nuclear option), that still doesn’t solve the Title IX issue.
As for the cosmetics, I’m sure schools would just license the names, logos, etc back from the school and lease the facilities for basically nothing. And I’m sure many would continue to pay money back to the schools like the LSU Athletic Dept already does. Everything would look and operate the same minus the G5. This would get around T9 and allow for collective bargaining, contracts, etc.
As for your comments on anti-trust, the pro leagues are exempted from anti-trust issues and if the P5 began to operate as a separate entity, they would most likely be treated the same. Such a move wouldn’t happen unless the university presidents knew going in that it would all work legally.
If we are being honest, it wouldn’t be as big of a structural change as you might think. The football staff and operations are already funded outside of the university. They would just have to separate football and possibly men’s basketball from the rest of the athletic dept and they can get all the way there.
I hope this never happens, but it’s possible if things get bad enough. And again, it’s probably simpler and definitely faster than the legislative and legal route to changing Title IX.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:35 pm to misey94
quote:Why are you sure of this?
I’m sure schools would just license the names, logos, etc back and lease the facilities for basically nothing.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:45 pm to MOT
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Why are you sure of this?
Because they would continue to make a ton of money off of football, just like most big P5 programs do today. Instead of making the money more directly like they do now, the schools would make money through licenses and facility leases.
Again, I don’t think this ever happens. It’s just the only way to get around Title IX without a lengthy, uphill battle. And the idea of the P5 separating from the NCAA has been out there for a while now.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:09 pm to misey94
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If we are being honest, it wouldn’t be as big of a structural change as you might think. The football staff and operations are already funded outside of the university. They would just have to separate football and possibly men’s basketball from the rest of the athletic dept and they can get all the way there.
The very thought of that is absurd. If it ever got to that point it would be ballgame over for the whole shooting match, there are so many problems I don’t even know where to begin.
1. Would it no longer be mandatory kids go to school?
2. What would happen to the smaller d1 teams?
3. Why as an lsu alum would I care to support the Baton Rouge tigers, or whatever they name the band of mercenaries they have on the field.
4. In most minor league situations, winning takes a back seat to development.
5. What would happen to kids not thought of as nfl material?
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:47 pm to TJG210
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The very thought of that is absurd. If it ever got to that point it would be ballgame over for the whole shooting match, there are so many problems I don’t even know where to begin.
The conference commissioners and university presidents don’t think of any of this the same way we do. All of the moves they have made over the last 30 years show that. It’s all been about the accumulation of money and power.
As for attending class, most athletes in the major sports are barely a part of the university anymore as it is. They get tons of tutoring and assistance out of the football facility and academic center. Many of them do a lot of course work remotely and hardly have to attend classes in-person like most students.
Like I said, I don’t think this will happen. The point I was making initially is that NIL is the evil we are all going to have to live with from now on because both of the alternatives to either change or get around Title 9 are difficult and the outcomes would suck a lot worse than what we have today.
The only other things that can be done under current laws that would have any real impact would be changes to the transfer rules, a federal law making NIL implementation uniform across the country, and legislation that limits how collectives can operate and forces them to operate transparently. None of those really stop pay for play, but they would add a little more sanity to the current setup.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 11:51 pm to lsufanva
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but when you break down the actual amount of money the universities make off the backs of those kids, what they receive is pennies.
Clearest sign of someone that has absolutely no idea what they’re talking about with this topic.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:54 am to TigerFan244
You have to pay to play. That's how the world works get over it.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:39 am to stopitnow1
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You have to pay to play. That's how the world works get over it.
What happens when people start refusing to pay? Like someone else said, I’d rather see us go 0-12 rather than give a nickel out of my pocket to fuel this nonsense.
Greed from the university/players will ultimately collegiate athletics undoing.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:13 am to TigerFan244
It is the Supreme Court that created this mess, not the ncaa. They fought this for years but woke espn kept pushing and supreme court approved
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