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re: BayouTraditions and similar NIL “collectives” are offensive.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:25 pm to da prophet
Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:25 pm to da prophet
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You just hang on to that nugget. Can coaches relatives/ friends pay them. Sure they can, through the collective. Will Wade had a collective, his wife.
Nope
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:27 pm to High C
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I’ll watch LSU go 0-12 for the rest of my life before I give a dime to any NIL collective.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:32 pm to Salviati
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The market wants college football. The demand is in the amount of billions of dollars.
Well, they have now found a work-around that doesn’t require going up against the NCAA and activists who will paint the preservation of Title IX as a civil rights issue. It also doesn’t require tangling with an unpredictable judicial system. We saw how that went for the NCAA in the case of NIL. The schools don’t have much control, but they also aren’t having to give up their revenue, so what’s their incentive to fight this battle now?
Unfortunately, the easier path is for the power conferences to say frick the G5, smaller programs and non-revenue sports and burn it all to the ground. If they broke away and severed ties with schools, they could do whatever they want and not have to worry about changing any laws. If things with NIL and the portal get unmanageable enough, this unfortunately is the more likely outcome.
If such a move went beyond football and included basketball, the NCAA would essentially cease to exist in its current form. They are bankrolled by March Madness and that tournament would be neutered by a full P5 breakaway.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:36 pm to TigerFan244
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nsive. by TigerFan244
First let me say…I have absolutely no problem with student athletes making money… if the market bears a certin value for their NIL. But, can we all once and for all agree that NIL is a sham and that the original intent of NIL has been completely lost.
Current NIL deals have no commercial substances
Why isn't a business? You invest in NIL - they sign athlete and engage in business activity. Endorsements and memorabilia. I get return on my investment.
Instead it is the age old $100 handshake sans actually getting the handshake
Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:38 pm to thelawnwranglers
I would be more than fine if college football wasn't minor leagues and quality of athlete went down.
Probably in the minority there
Probably in the minority there
Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:40 pm to TigerFan244
You’re not wrong and these collectives should absolutely be stopped by the NCAA.
But they aren’t going to and they honestly don’t want to. Because then someone sues and they issue is again brought before the SCOTUS who is already asking how is all universities not agreeing to not pay what amounts to an employee not collusion?
But they aren’t going to and they honestly don’t want to. Because then someone sues and they issue is again brought before the SCOTUS who is already asking how is all universities not agreeing to not pay what amounts to an employee not collusion?
Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:45 pm to misey94
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If Title IX could be reworked to allow for player compensation based on revenue generated, then there wouldn’t be a problem. I’m just not sure that will ever happen.
Are you paying attention? 0.0% chance that occurs today. The women’s national soccer team gets paid the same as the men even though there is a giant revenue discrepancy. You also have people saying with a straight face that wnba players should get comparable salaries to nba players, despite them bringing in less than crumbs revenue wise.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:52 pm to misey94
quote:They won't unless and until they have to. The current NIL "structure" will work unless and until it doesn't.
Well, they have now found a work-around that doesn’t require going up against the NCAA and activists who will paint the preservation of Title IX as a civil rights issue. It also doesn’t require tangling with an unpredictable judicial system. We saw how that went for the NCAA in the case of NIL. The schools don’t have much control, but they also aren’t having to give up their revenue, so what’s their incentive to fight this battle now?
quote:This does not make sense. The P5 is going to sever ties with schools? The SEC football teams won't represent the schools in the SEC? Even if they broke away, they are still subject to anti-trust laws. Breaking away does not solve the problems.
Unfortunately, the easier path is for the power conferences to say frick the G5, smaller programs and non-revenue sports and burn it all to the ground. If they broke away and severed ties with schools, they could do whatever they want and not have to worry about changing any laws. If things with NIL and the portal get unmanageable enough, this unfortunately is the more likely outcome.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 12:57 pm to Salviati
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This does not make sense. The P5 is going to sever ties with schools? T
Re-read it, he’s saying the power 5 conferences will say adios to the g5 schools. I actually think that’s a good idea in football.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:03 pm to TigerFan244
Yeah the school makes enough money,if they waiting on me to buy tickets,buy concessions,and also donate $5000 a year so some kid who I don’t know comes here and gets free education,the best nutritionist you can buy,the best trainers,and a platform that improves their NFL draft stock to make them a millionaire….. then they will be waiting a long time cause I’m not giving these kids shite. NIL is the worst thing to happen to college sports and it will slowly destroy itself. They didn’t get ahead of it and get it regulated and figure out all the moving pieces before letting the cat out the bag. Now it’s kids transferring and chasing money and a complete roster management shite show. Looks like Brian Kelly is figuring it out faster than most so that’s good for LSU for now but how long can it sustain itself just like anything else the money these kids want is just going to continue to rise just like NFL contracts have risen over the years.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:08 pm to TJG210
quote:But even if the P5 broke away from the G5, it solves nothing. The problem cannot be solved by a private governing authority, not by the NCAA, not by the P5, not by the conferences, and not by the schools. All of them are still subject to federal laws like Title IX and the anti-trust acts.quote:Re-read it, he’s saying the power 5 conferences will say adios to the g5 schools. I actually think that’s a good idea in football.quote:This does not make sense. The P5 is going to sever ties with schools?
If they broke away and severed ties with schools, they could do whatever they want and not have to worry about changing any laws.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:10 pm to HarveyTunnel
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The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.
Been saying this for years and not to get political, but it is causing massive decay in all parts of society.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:11 pm to Salviati
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But even if the P5 broke away from the G5, it solves nothing.
I’m sorry from the perspective you are mentioning, that’s correct. From a competition standpoint it’s incredible.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:14 pm to TJG210
quote:I think the poster did actually intend it to mean severing ties with schools since it was mentioned in the context of avoiding laws (Title IX).
Re-read it, he’s saying the power 5 conferences will say adios to the g5 schools. I actually think that’s a good idea in football.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:29 pm to MOT
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I think the poster did actually intend it to mean severing ties with schools since it was mentioned in the context of avoiding laws (Title IX).
Yea, I don’t foresee that happening. The academics won’t let their golden goose just up and fly away.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:30 pm to thelawnwranglers
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I would be more than fine if college football wasn't minor leagues and quality of athlete went down.
Agree 100%, it’s getting way out of hand.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:43 pm to misey94
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If Title IX could be reworked to allow for player compensation based on revenue generated,
Why would we want that? These are colleges, not minor leagues for pro sports. They have allowed themselves to be bastardized into that, which is what is causing these issues.
If a player wants to be paid, then he needs to go pro. If the pro league won't let him, that's just proof is doesn't have true value.
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As for letting go of the elite players, we got a preview of that in men’s basketball 15 years ago
And? College basketball attendance has been dropping over the past 10 years. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, but college basketball is in worse shape today than 15 years ago.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:47 pm to TigerFan244
quote:Nailed.
The purpose of NIL was to allow student athletes to benefit/get paid for things like endorsements, commercials, autographs, jersey sales, appearances, etc…things that they can make money on using their name, image, and likeness. Just like the professionals do…and which, once again, I have zero problem with.
Unfortunately, what it has turned into is basically a “Pay for Play” scheme and lets just call collectives like BayouTraditions what they are - they are basically inducement funds to lure and keep recruits.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:11 pm to AlxTgr
Yea, if someone has to arrange or guarantee your NIL, then you have no real value.
It’s completely absurd.
It’s completely absurd.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:17 pm to GeauxGoose
as a season ticket holder I shell out a lot of money for tickets, parking, etc. just to attend these events
I also pay a TAF fee for the right to purchase season tickets
Now they want me to pay to join a collective to prevent players from leaving or entering portal
collegiate sports need to figure out what the hell their model needs to be while making sure you keep the fan base engaged and keep it affordable for the average fan to stay engaged
when they lose the average fan, let's see how they can support their model
the coaches that shot all these promos for the collective must be thinking what the hell did I sign up for
this is getting ridiculous but at least they get paid handsomely ro deal with this commotion
I also pay a TAF fee for the right to purchase season tickets
Now they want me to pay to join a collective to prevent players from leaving or entering portal
collegiate sports need to figure out what the hell their model needs to be while making sure you keep the fan base engaged and keep it affordable for the average fan to stay engaged
when they lose the average fan, let's see how they can support their model
the coaches that shot all these promos for the collective must be thinking what the hell did I sign up for
this is getting ridiculous but at least they get paid handsomely ro deal with this commotion
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 2:21 pm
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